What's a luthier?

[Stub Mandrel]

 

2 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

Is it just me or has this one gone off topic

 

I tought it was a semantic discussion onthevtopic of 'what is a luthier' 😬

[prowla]

2 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

I have two friends waiting to be assessed for ADHD. The wait for that is two years and while ADHD is not a mental illness, living with it and not getting help with it can cause mental illness. 

In this area, the wait for CBT is two months and then you only get four sessions. It's really poor.

 

 

Is it just me or has this one gone off topic?

It's gone mental!

[SteveXFR]

We all have our issues. Some more than others. It's good to talk about them and sometimes the right time and place is in the middle of a discussion about Lex Luther

[OliverBlackman]

I can’t believe it’s gone off topic before anyone has mentioned the mastermind behind Letts bass…..qualified luthier or not? 😂

[SimonK]

3 hours ago, Dankology said:

You really shouldn't.

 

Even with my relatively modest population of c9500 patients, I can see hundreds benefiting (to various degrees) from GP contact, in-practice mental heath workers, crisis teams, A&E liaison teams, community mental health teams, health coaches, care coordinators, drug & alcohol services, in-patient wards etc etc etc - this really does not equate to not bring able to access support and you do hard working staff a serious disservice by parroting this reductive (and really quite inaccurate line).

 

Yes we maybe should find a new thread for this as it is a matter of perspective - but an important topic nevertheless.

 

I'm a director of a community interest company focussing on mental health, with clinicians who have all left the NHS because they are fed up with just doing crisis management with people getting to the Clinical Psychologists far too late. Also there not being enough time to complete the necessary therapy as they have to move onto the next clients too quickly. Everyone in the MDTs were(are) just getting burned out and staff turnover was/is massive. We now run a business that takes private referrals from local GPs which is really tough as while we don't charge anywhere near as much as we could, there is a certain level that we need to run the business and some people in desperate need struggle to pay it - but it is the only way to get support. We then have a problem with risk management where the Police are often the only option as the NHS services simply are not able for us to refer back to, and we have a duty of care to pass the risk on. It's a really sh*t situation but at least we have mostly success stories (albeit it takes a while to do therapy properly).

 

I do think it is a bit of a red herring, or unjustified rhetoric, to tie failing services with the staff running them. Our experience is that the staff are pretty good, but the system is just failing everyone - it really isn't "parroting a reductive and inaccurate line" - it's what is happening on the ground certainly where we are.

[Stub Mandrel]

57 minutes ago, OliverBlackman said:

I can’t believe it’s gone off topic before anyone has mentioned the mastermind behind Letts bass…..qualified luthier or not? 😂

 

No-one has mentioned Wishbasses or that eBay guy who tortures basses.

[SteveXFR]

8 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

No-one has mentioned Wishbasses or that eBay guy who tortures basses.

 

Perfect balance basses? The people who buy them definitely need mental health treatment. Probably electric shock therapy and 20 years in a straight jacket.

[prowla]

9 hours ago, SimonK said:

 

Yes we maybe should find a new thread for this as it is a matter of perspective - but an important topic nevertheless.

 

I'm a director of a community interest company focussing on mental health, with clinicians who have all left the NHS because they are fed up with just doing crisis management with people getting to the Clinical Psychologists far too late. Also there not being enough time to complete the necessary therapy as they have to move onto the next clients too quickly. Everyone in the MDTs were(are) just getting burned out and staff turnover was/is massive. We now run a business that takes private referrals from local GPs which is really tough as while we don't charge anywhere near as much as we could, there is a certain level that we need to run the business and some people in desperate need struggle to pay it - but it is the only way to get support. We then have a problem with risk management where the Police are often the only option as the NHS services simply are not able for us to refer back to, and we have a duty of care to pass the risk on. It's a really sh*t situation but at least we have mostly success stories (albeit it takes a while to do therapy properly).

 

I do think it is a bit of a red herring, or unjustified rhetoric, to tie failing services with the staff running them. Our experience is that the staff are pretty good, but the system is just failing everyone - it really isn't "parroting a reductive and inaccurate line" - it's what is happening on the ground certainly where we are.

This could be the most impressive instance in ages of a thread going off in a completely different direction.

I think it would be a good idea to split it if possible; not from a "get off my land" perspective, but rather because it is a topic worthy of discussion in its own right.

[SimonK]

4 hours ago, prowla said:

This could be the most impressive instance in ages of a thread going off in a completely different direction.

I think it would be a good idea to split it if possible; not from a "get off my land" perspective, but rather because it is a topic worthy of discussion in its own right.

 

Mea culpa - originally the point was about protected titles which was vaguely linked to whether you need qualifications to call yourself a luthier!