Double Bass Endpin Sliding While Playing

[hpc364]

Any durable solution ?

[pete.young]

Stick a rubber doorstop on the spike.

[Beedster]

Nice playing. Yes a rubber piece will help. Try perhaps being more in touch with the bass to provide greater stability, it might be the camera angle but it looks quite far from you?

[Happy Jack]

As near as I can make out, he's playing sitting down.

[hpc364]

48 minutes ago, Beedster said:

Nice playing. Yes a rubber piece will help. Try perhaps being more in touch with the bass to provide greater stability, it might be the camera angle but it looks quite far from you?

Far is not the right word... It's farer than far.

And yes, you are right, when I tried to play in thumb position the instrument began to slide.

[JPJ]

I'm relatively new to double bass but experienced this for the first time at a recent gig with a lovely polished wood floor. My bass has one of these on the end pin, but it was still sliding. So much so that I am thinking about buying or making something like this to attach to my stool leg and sit the end pin in.

[simonlittle]

Assuming you don’t have a rubber foot on the endpin, the easiest solution is to get a bit of carpet and stick the end pin on that and one leg of the stool on the other end. Or you could try a rubber stopper of some sort; either a donut like cellists use or perhaps one of these 

https://www.thestringzone.co.uk/stoppin-floor-protector-large?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_dcWv6G_ehrX06dOF4pZZK2wR-J&gclid=Cj0KCQiA19e8BhCVARIsALpFMgHmM4Ihe6wu_Earq5soOyfHpig0QaNYzTvto_flw12ad_UZxtBlZDIaAui0EALw_wcB

To be honest, even with a rubber foot on the endpin, on certain floor surfaces it just bloody happens and it’s annoying. I have rubber feet on both my uprights and there’s one regular gig I do that I just know the bass will slide all over the place. 
It’d be good to figure out a solution sooner rather than later to help address the distance you are from the bass. On a slippy floor it’s very tempting (necessary even) to hold the bass very upright but it’s far better to have it lean into you at an angle; especially for going further up the neck. 
Good luck!

[hpc364]

17 minutes ago, simonlittle said:

Assuming you don’t have a rubber foot on the endpin, the easiest solution is to get a bit of carpet and stick the end pin on that and one leg of the stool on the other end. Or you could try a rubber stopper of some sort; either a donut like cellists use or perhaps one of these 

https://www.thestringzone.co.uk/stoppin-floor-protector-large?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_dcWv6G_ehrX06dOF4pZZK2wR-J&gclid=Cj0KCQiA19e8BhCVARIsALpFMgHmM4Ihe6wu_Earq5soOyfHpig0QaNYzTvto_flw12ad_UZxtBlZDIaAui0EALw_wcB

To be honest, even with a rubber foot on the endpin, on certain floor surfaces it just bloody happens and it’s annoying. I have rubber feet on both my uprights and there’s one regular gig I do that I just know the bass will slide all over the place. 
It’d be good to figure out a solution sooner rather than later to help address the distance you are from the bass. On a slippy floor it’s very tempting (necessary even) to hold the bass very upright but it’s far better to have it lean into you at an angle; especially for going further up the neck. 
Good luck!

The other day my wife (who loves me more than a lot) bought me a rubber carpet and I said it wouldn't work and there was something they sell to avoid things that usually happen to me.

After dinner, I took the rubber carpet... My God ! It works more than I expected and you know what ? I play better ! I do it all over the neck.

[simonlittle]

It’s a win! Well done Mrs hpc364! 👌

[hpc364]

One of my problems is solved !

 

[hpc364]

Maybe it's better here...

 

[NickA]

Rubber feet slide.

 

Good sharp metal spike embedded in wooden floor! 👍 Or carpet, if you're precious about the floor.  When playing in churches I sometimes wedge the spike in the gap between flagstones.

 

But actually .... These work really well: https://beareandson.co.uk/stoppin-floor-protector-396-p.asp.

 

[Burns-bass]

7 hours ago, NickA said:

Rubber feet slide.

 

Good sharp metal spike embedded in wooden floor! 👍 Or carpet, if you're precious about the floor.  When playing in churches I sometimes wedge the spike in the gap between flagstones.

 

But actually .... These work really well: https://beareandson.co.uk/stoppin-floor-protector-396-p.asp.

 

Nice one. Will invest for the gig box. Always good to have this stuff when it’s needed.

 

I’ve done the same when playing on flagstones. I did take some audio insulation foam once and that worked OK.

In terms of the OP, the bass is too upright for sitting. When you move to thumb position you’re shifting the bass and your weight, but if it was properly positioned then you wouldn’t have this issue.

 

I’m not going to recommend a lesson or two as I got duffed up last time. Check out Discover Double Bass maybe and see how some of the presenters there sit with their basses.

 

[NickA]

There's a trend ( I think) in classical bassists sitting quite low, bass at a shallow angle, both feet on the floor.  The member of my orchestra who actually went to music college sits like that ( she's not tall mind ).  The extreme being the "new Dutch bass school" who think they're playing big cellos.

 

I'm a bit old school myself.  One foot down, bass quite steep, like Nils HOP here ( tho I'm shorter and my bass is bigger!)...and he only has a rubber stopper on his end pin.

 

but you do need to wrap yourself around it when bowing as you don't have your right thumb on the fingerboard for stability - especially in thumb position.

 

 

[Burns-bass]

1 hour ago, NickA said:

There's a trend ( I think) in classical bassists sitting quite low, bass at a shallow angle, both feet on the floor.  The member of my orchestra who actually went to music college sits like that ( she's not tall mind ).  The extreme being the "new Dutch bass school" who think they're playing big cellos.

 

I'm a bit old school myself.  One foot down, bass quite steep, like Nils HOP here ( tho I'm shorter and my bass is bigger!)...and he only has a rubber stopper on his end pin.

 

but you do need to wrap yourself around it when bowing as you don't have your right thumb on the fingerboard for stability - especially in thumb position.

 

 

 

This is how I've been taught to play sitting down (by two teachers).

[hpc364]

9 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

 

In terms of the OP, the bass is too upright for sitting. When you move to thumb position you’re shifting the bass and your weight, but if it was properly positioned then you wouldn’t have this issue.

 

 

 

Really ? How do you know it ?

It's all about this thread, didn't you notice the bass was going for a sliding trip ?

The problem was solved by my wife !

[NickA]

How was it solved by your wife?  She sat on the floor and held on to it perhaps?

 

I actually did that for a girl at school who's bass slipped whilst she was performing some Bottesini with a blunt spike. on a slippy wooden floor.   I dived out the audience, grabbed her pin and held fast till she finished.  Reader, she still wouldn't go out with me 😂:

 

ps: hard to tell the angle due to the angle of the photo.  But you do seem to be holding it away from you not hugging it to you.  That won't make the pin slip, I think, but Might make it hard to hold steady.   ,

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 18:04 by NickA

[Burns-bass]

1 hour ago, hpc364 said:

Really ? How do you know it ?

It's all about this thread, didn't you notice the bass was going for a sliding trip ?

The problem was solved by my wife !

I saw the video. You’re fighting with the bass the whole time. A mat on the floor can stop it sliding and you’re happy so all good.

Edited Wednesday at 18:59 by Burns-bass

[hpc364]

3 minutes ago, Burns-bass said:

I saw the video. You’re fighting with the bass the whole time. A mat on the floor can stop it sliding and you’re happy so all good.

When I don't know what I'm wearing under my trousers I will ask you if you know better than I do.

[hpc364]

1 hour ago, NickA said:

How was it solved by your wife?  She sat on the floor and held on to it perhaps?

 

I actually did that for a girl at school who's bass slipped whilst she was performing some Bottesini with a blunt spike. on a slippy wooden floor.   I dived out the audience, grabbed her pin and held fast till she finished.  Reader, she still wouldn't go out with me 😂:

 

ps: hard to tell the angle due to the angle of the photo.  But you do seem to be holding it away from you not hugging it to you.  That won't make the pin slip, I think, but Might make it hard to hold steady.   ,

 

 

 

My big bottom is sitten on a bar stool, this bar stool is on a long rubber carpet (150 cm), the endpine is on the stretched carpet, my legs are open, the bass is touching the stool (leatherette)... The instrument doesn't move at all.

Edited Wednesday at 19:16 by hpc364

[Burns-bass]

8 minutes ago, hpc364 said:

My big bottom is sitten on a bar stool, this bar stool is on a long rubber carpet (150 cm), the endpine is on the stretched carpet, my legs are open, the bass is touching the stool (leatherette)... The instrument doesn't move at all.

All good, it’s your journey.

 

 

[NickA]

3 hours ago, hpc364 said:

The instrument doesn't move at all.

Sorted. Thread over! 😀