Trump's tariff wars...long post.

[Agent 00Soul]

5 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

There must be assassins on the way. It would be nice if they hurry up.

“Will no one rid me of this turbulent president?”

[Buddster]

Then they'd have Vance... And Project 2025 would go into full effect. 

 

There are no Republicans with a spine willing to say anything to him because of how he has manipulated them into such fear or retribution. 

[Agent 00Soul]

19 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

Looks like they are picking fights with South Africa now as well.

 The white farmers thing?  That is a carry-over from his first term. Back then, the plan was an embargo on South African things, with a possible blockade of their container ports (I think) unless the SA government walked back from its plan to seize and redistribute the land currently owned by white farmers and farming conglomerates.  He also was going to offer US passports to any white South Africans who moved to the states, and maybe even give them land to settle and farm. At least that’s what I remember - I didn’t go down the rabbit hole this morning. 🐇

 

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[Geek99]

18 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

 

I saw it. Completely deranged. He looks unhealthy, hopefully nature will take care of it soon.

In another dose of weirdness a few days ago he said Europeans were illegally boycotting Tesla. Not sure what makes that illegal. 

I also read that he suggested NATO would have to assist in his invasion of Greenland. The man is utterly insane. 

There must be assassins on the way. It would be nice if they hurry up.

Then you get Vance or Speaker Johnson - 

be careful what you wish for 

[TimR]

11 minutes ago, Buddster said:

Then they'd have Vance... And Project 2025 would go into full effect. 

 

There are no Republicans with a spine willing to say anything to him because of how he has manipulated them into such fear or retribution. 

 

5 minutes ago, Geek99 said:

Then you get Vance or Speaker Johnson - 

be careful what you wish for 

 

Vance doesn't have the charisma that Trump has. I think a lot of people still see Trump as the young rougue, the Trump Tower guy, the Apprentice star, the guy who says jump and everyone asks how high, I'm sure he has a book of secrets on everyone he ever deals with, he's the embodiment of the American dream. Vance isn't that, and he will have to watch his back. 

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[tegs07]

18 minutes ago, Agent 00Soul said:

 The white farmers thing?  That is a carry-over from his first term. Back then, the plan was an embargo on South African things, with a possible blockade of their container ports (I think) unless the SA government walked back from its plan to seize and redistribute the land currently owned by white farmers and farming conglomerates.  He also was going to offer US passports to any white South Africans who moved to the states, and maybe even give them land to settle and farm. At least that’s what I remember - I didn’t go down the rabbit hole this morning. 🐇

 

Expelling the South African ambassador. TBH I have kind of given up reading the full details of every spat and grievance. There are simply too many to keep up with. Maybe this is the master plan. Supporters will just accept every proclamation as gospel and those interested in finding out the details will get so weary they will just give up, presume it’s garbage but miss some critical information.

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[Buddster]

11 minutes ago, TimR said:

 

 

Vance doesn't have the charisma that Trump has. I think a lot of people still see Trump as the young rougue, the Trump Tower guy, the Apprentice star, the guy who says jump and everyone asks how high, I'm sure he has a book of secrets on everyone he ever deals with, he's the embodiment of the American dream. Vance isn't that, and he will have to watch his back. 

I agree with you there. He has the public. But he also can't be controlled. Vance can. 

Trump is the troll in LotR smashing into the defencive walls, knocking himself out, and is then useless, to allow the real forces to begin. 

 

Arggg, it's meant to be a relaxing Saturday morning! 

[SteveXFR]

19 minutes ago, Geek99 said:

Then you get Vance or Speaker Johnson - 

be careful what you wish for 

 

Vance can't pull off what Trump can. He'll be taken out by a crazy with a gun as soon as the conspiracy theories inevitably start suggesting Vance killed Trump so he could be president.

[Geek99]

16 minutes ago, TimR said:

 

 

Vance doesn't have the charisma that Trump has. I think a lot of people still see Trump as the young rougue, the Trump Tower guy, the Apprentice star, the guy who says jump and everyone asks how high, I'm sure he has a book of secrets on everyone he ever deals with, he's the embodiment of the American dream. Vance isn't that, and he will have to watch his back. 

If anything happens to trump, Vance and then Johnson, become president automatically, charisma notwithstanding 

[Buddster]

3 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

Vance can't pull off what Trump can

He won't need to

[Buddster]

45 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

I also read that he suggested NATO would have to assist in his invasion of Greenland. The man is utterly insane.

Yes, he has no filter, or advisers to tell him to shut the f up. 

 

[Agent 00Soul]

23 minutes ago, Buddster said:

Yes, he has no filter, or advisers to tell him to shut the f up. 

 

You mean the same advisors that told him that a three front war - against Canada, Greenland, Panama with two countries having brutal winters and one with boiling jungles - is winnable?

[TimR]

 

33 minutes ago, Geek99 said:

If anything happens to trump, Vance and then Johnson, become president automatically, charisma notwithstanding 

 

Sure. But you need to be a leader to lead. Vance isn't a leader he will lose the confidence of the population, if Trump hasn't already lost it. 

 

Cracks are beginning to show at state level town hall meetings. 

[Agent 00Soul]

41 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

Expelling the South African ambassador. TBH I have kind of given up reading the full details of every spat and grievance. There are simply too many to keep up with. Maybe this is the master plan. Supporters will just accept every proclamation as gospel and those interested in finding out the details will get so weary they will just give up, presume it’s garbage but miss some critical information.

South Africa is definitely a pet peeve with him for whatever reason (Canada too).  It’s funny that he tells people that getting involved in Ukraine doesn’t concern the US because it’s so distant but he’s only too happy to be the knight in shining armour that rides into South Africa to rescue white people. 

[chris_b]

1 hour ago, Geek99 said:

. . . . . Biden was a borderline senile muppet with good advisers. . ..

 

Whatever you think of Biden, or his 4 years, he was, by any measure, a success. It's only taken Trump 50 days to destroy everything and the smoking wreckage that is the Government will only get worse over time. Right now is as good as it's going to get.

[chris_b]

Does the US public know or even care? The mainstream media aren't reporting most of this deranged nonsense, through fear of losing their broadcasting licences, and it won't be long until Trump has the rest of the media, the ones who are continuing to report the facts in a truthful way, with meaningful analysis, in his sights.

 

I'm surprised he's take this long to shutdown the voices of dissent.

[tegs07]

The only logic I can find in the master plan is that Team Trump realise that being the worlds reserve currency has given the USA a massive economic advantage. The process of de-dollarisation has begun and whilst some way off will most likely happen.

So if the USA can bully its way to advantageous trade deals and use the threat of military intervention to take the raw materials of Canada and Greenland and the strategic trade route of Panama then the US can in theory be a manufacturing superpower.

 

Getting there however requires more than wishful thinking. It also requires the rest of the world to bow to American will and for the US public to tolerate significant economic turbulence. It also means abandoning long term allies and trusting historical enemies to sit by and let it happen.

 

I think that Team Trump is grossly underestimating the combined economic and military might of the BRICS and the very real threat posed by China, Iran, North Korea and Russia in particular. Personally I think they are in the process of making a massive economic and geopolitical mistake and have sacked and sidelined a lot of the people that really understand the consequences of their gamble.

[SteveXFR]

34 minutes ago, chris_b said:

 

Whatever you think of Biden, or his 4 years, he was, by any measure, a success. It's only taken Trump 50 days to destroy everything and the smoking wreckage that is the Government will only get worse over time. Right now is as good as it's going to get.

 

You don't understand. This is all the hangover from Bidens policies. Obama and the Clinton's run the stock exchange and made it crash. 

That's how the Trump cult see it

[mcnach]

2 hours ago, Buddster said:

Then they'd have Vance... And Project 2025 would go into full effect. 

 

There are no Republicans with a spine willing to say anything to him because of how he has manipulated them into such fear or retribution. 

 

Well, if a hitman is involved, they might as well do a buy one get one free deal.

[prowla]

18 minutes ago, SteveXFR said:

 

You don't understand. This is all the hangover from Bidens policies. Obama and the Clinton's run the stock exchange and made it crash. 

That's how the Trump cult see it

Biden and Obama were no friends of the UK, but at least they didn't actively try to trash things at the global level.

29 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

The only logic I can find in the master plan is that Team Trump realise that being the worlds reserve currency has given the USA a massive economic advantage. The process of de-dollarisation has begun and whilst some way off will most likely happen.

So if the USA can bully its way to advantageous trade deals and use the threat of military intervention to take the raw materials of Canada and Greenland and the strategic trade route of Panama then the US can in theory be a manufacturing superpower.

 

Getting there however requires more than wishful thinking. It also requires the rest of the world to bow to American will and for the US public to tolerate significant economic turbulence. It also means abandoning long term allies and trusting historical enemies to sit by and let it happen.

 

I think that Team Trump is grossly underestimating the combined economic and military might of the BRICS and the very real threat posed by China, Iran, North Korea and Russia in particular. Personally I think they are in the process of making a massive economic and geopolitical mistake and have sacked and sidelined a lot of the people that really understand the consequences of their gamble.

My opinion is that Trump has already done probably irreversible damage to the USofA brand, bizzarely by attacking supposedly friendly countries, whilst probably only Russia and Israel would endorse his actions and China sits by eating the popcorn.

[tegs07]

2 minutes ago, prowla said:

Biden and Obama were no friends of the UK, but at least they didn't actively try to trash things at the global level.

My opinion is that Trump has already done probably irreversible damage to the USofA brand, bizzarely by attacking supposedly friendly countries, whilst probably only Russia and Israel would endorse his actions and China sits by eating the popcorn.

There is a lot of intelligence concerning China conducting military exercises in the South China seas. Yesterday this included drills using crafts specifically designed for invasion and transport of troops and heavy equipment. 
 

Meanwhile Trump is making empty ´this is your last chance threats to Hamas and Iran, misjudging Russian aims in Ukraine and trashing NATO and the stock market. 

 

[prowla]

5 minutes ago, tegs07 said:

There is a lot of intelligence concerning China conducting military exercises in the South China seas. Yesterday this included drills using crafts specifically designed for invasion and transport of troops and heavy equipment. 
 

Meanwhile Trump is making empty ´this is your last chance threats to Hamas and Iran, misjudging Russian aims in Ukraine and trashing NATO and the stock market. 

 

I'm guessing China will show its hand pretty soon.

And Trump won't be able to do diddley-squat.

The previously on-side countries will be forced to do more trade with China and the US's influence will be diminished.

Far from making America great again, it could well achieve the exact opposite.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction...