Bass4real Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 On 08/02/2025 at 07:41, 12stringbassist said: The OP appears to be a cut and paste that once dropped into the forum has split all of the text up. Rick Beato has a point. The major companies still control the charts and the independents hardly get a look in, unless they are really organised and build up sales in advance that all count in one week when the product becomes available and ships. Too many young people today (certainly not all of them, though) are going down the road of accepting what they are sold, have little sense of music history and are content to listen to the warblings of Beyonce etc. Where are the bands? They are still hacking away at it with diminishing returns. Present day Solo performers I have no or little interest unless they are a "miracle " what I think is proof of God " Musical savants like Derek Paravicini , The Young LUCY I think also from England can bring tears to my eyes . Any way "I know what I like" I like what I know BANDS 1 Quote
AndyTravis Posted February 11 Posted February 11 It’s funny… The way music is consumed is totally different; my two 15/16 year olds both got phones as they started high school (tracker apps and knowing what they’re up to etc)… I noticed that they would have music videos streaming while they played/did homework/draw etc. Its like MTV - But that used to encourage people to buy physical format music… “Physical format” music is now your phone/tablet. We did a song in a studio - released it, and so far it has a few thousand streams across all formats; generating £13 (as part of an EP). We did a video for the song - so far it has 8000 views on Facebook and a few hundred on YouTube…this apparently plays ads before and after and has put £30 in our band account. mental. I said this to.. The 602 - “that’s bollocks” Flying Oceans - “you just want to show off in a video” Fiasco Jam - listened. We’re releasing an Album. we’ll pick 4 “singles” and make videos for each - probably following theme/story I haven’t figured out yet. might earn a few quid - better than nowt. 4 Quote
Bluewine Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 08/02/2025 at 07:07, SpondonBassed said: I wouldn't drag them into it. They were a tight band without question. Brian Epstein may have been naive but he was a promoter, not so much of a meddler. I understand Brian Epstein completely missed the boat on merchandise and ticket prices. The Hollywood Bowl 1964 tickets were $4.50. They could have easily gotten $10.00. Daryl 1 Quote
Agent 00Soul Posted February 11 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Bluewine said: I understand Brian Epstein completely missed the boat on merchandise and ticket prices. He only asked for a 2% cut for all that merchandise released in the US during the height of Beatlemania in 1964 (wigs, colouring books, toys, etc). I was just reading about it yesterday. One of the licensors was interviewed and he couldn’t believe his luck. He was laughing all the way to the bank. Quote
TimR Posted February 11 Posted February 11 5 hours ago, Terry M. said: That didn't stop Pino Palladino and Stuart Zender. Both can't read dots. Zender has said in interviews he relies on "shapes". There are countless others like that and their work makes plenty of musical sense. Forgive me if that's NOT what you meant. Pino Pallidino is a trained classical guitarist. But we digress. Theory isn't about reading the dots. It's about understanding chord structures, song structures, the requirement for a hook, the need to capture the audience in the first 4 bars, tension and release, the increased energy in the chorus, the complementary bass line. The space. I think that's missing in modern music that relies on production, it's going to be hard to find a group of musicians who can come together and work on creating something that has all those elements. It's easier for a solo artist to come up with lyrics and a melody and drag in a bunch of session musicians and a producer to finesse it. I'd suggest that's how the majority of the 'chart' muisc is finally produced, even if the original artist wrote it all in Garageband to start with. 2 Quote
casapete Posted February 11 Posted February 11 14 hours ago, Agent 00Soul said: Exactly. And they stay together and gel like a band over time. It’s not a thing just for the kiddies either. Paul McCartney has played with the same 3 guys live since 2001. They don’t usually appear on his recordings, but I think it’s a real stretch not to call them a band. Not true I’m afraid - of the seven studio albums released by Macca in the 21st Century, some or all of his band ( Abe Laboriel Jnr, Brian Ray, Rusty Anderson and MD Paul Wickens ) appear on six of them. ( The 2012 album of old covers & standards is the exception, featuring many guest players but not his band). Saw them at Manchester in December and was blown away by their talent. 😊 2 Quote
Bass4real Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 13 hours ago, AndyTravis said: It’s funny… The way music is consumed is totally different; my two 15/16 year olds both got phones as they started high school (tracker apps and knowing what they’re up to etc)… I noticed that they would have music videos streaming while they played/did homework/draw etc. Its like MTV - But that used to encourage people to buy physical format music… “Physical format” music is now your phone/tablet. We did a song in a studio - released it, and so far it has a few thousand streams across all formats; generating £13 (as part of an EP). We did a video for the song - so far it has 8000 views on Facebook and a few hundred on YouTube…this apparently plays ads before and after and has put £30 in our band account. mental. I said this to.. The 602 - “that’s bollocks” Flying Oceans - “you just want to show off in a video” Fiasco Jam - listened. We’re releasing an Album. we’ll pick 4 “singles” and make videos for each - probably following theme/story I haven’t figured out yet. might earn a few quid - better than nowt. I didn't know mtv is still with us When mtv was young it was an impartial network. whatever music we liked mtv was the place you'd find it.. But like most good things that have come out of the US in the past 20+ yrs Music especially is pushed down throats with profit being the only measure of success. Quote
Terry M. Posted February 12 Posted February 12 36 minutes ago, Bass4real said: When mtv was young it was an impartial network. This simply isn't true. Initially MTV wouldn't play any videos by black artists. It was when the president of CBS records threatened to pull all his company's videos from the network that Michael Jackson's Billie Jean was eventually aired. Sad but true. 1 1 1 Quote
SumOne Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Older people in the 1960s were probably saying the same things about the change from big bands to 4 piece pop bands. ..."declining society, the youth of today are clueless, media control, not proper musicians - can't even read music, record companies, commercialisation etc" 4 Quote
Agent 00Soul Posted February 12 Posted February 12 8 hours ago, casapete said: Not true I’m afraid - of the seven studio albums released by Macca in the 21st Century, some or all of his band ( Abe Laboriel Jnr, Brian Ray, Rusty Anderson and MD Paul Wickens ) appear on six of them. 😊 I stand corrected! But my main point is still valid: that’s a real band. They’ve surely been together longer than the Beatles and Wings put together by now I imagine. Wings is actually a good example of “What is a band?” Colloquially, they were a proper band not the back-up of a single artist. But they changed members all the time and were always on Paul & Linda’s payroll. Then there was his 1989(?) Flowers In The Dirt band, released two albums and toured the world for a few years without being officially given a name. Band or no band? It’s a hugely grey area defined by semantics. And I think the audience and the people involved in/with the group can see different ones. 1 Quote
SumOne Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) Perhaps we've circled back in a way - not many could name the musicians in an Orchestra, in music halls, or in big bands, there was a frontman 'face/name' and the other musicians were quite interchangeable and unknown to audiences, somewhat similar to the Taylor Swift of Bruno Mars live band musicians. The days of pop bands with the whole band being reasonably well known as one unit was perhaps a bit of a blip in the timeline of popular music - and even in 'band' heyday there was still a lot of popular music without being a band, stuff like Motown or a lot of Reggae with session musicians supporting the singer, and solo artists like Elvis, Elton John, Bob Dylan, Madonna, Michael Jackson. It's possibly more a sign of declining pop success of rock and punk music, which are almost always bands. Edited February 12 by SumOne 2 Quote
Al Krow Posted February 12 Posted February 12 15 hours ago, AndyTravis said: It’s funny… The way music is consumed is totally different; my two 15/16 year olds both got phones as they started high school (tracker apps and knowing what they’re up to etc)… I noticed that they would have music videos streaming while they played/did homework/draw etc. Its like MTV - But that used to encourage people to buy physical format music… “Physical format” music is now your phone/tablet. We did a song in a studio - released it, and so far it has a few thousand streams across all formats; generating £13 (as part of an EP). We did a video for the song - so far it has 8000 views on Facebook and a few hundred on YouTube…this apparently plays ads before and after and has put £30 in our band account. mental. I said this to.. The 602 - “that’s bollocks” Flying Oceans - “you just want to show off in a video” Fiasco Jam - listened. We’re releasing an Album. we’ll pick 4 “singles” and make videos for each - probably following theme/story I haven’t figured out yet. might earn a few quid - better than nowt. Definitely! I think the money for most BC bands these days is going to be more in live performance, and material releases almost become promo material to get a following/fan base to come along to hear us play live? Btw loved your band's track 'We're connected' - great lyrics (and bass line wasn't too shabby either!) 1 Quote
lurksalot Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I think that the reasons are fairly simple in the main, in that lots of people who have the talent and the inclination can make a mark easier, and can have the technology to do it on their own. They don’t have to share decision-making, they don’t have to share a diary, they just get up and do it. As a band you’ve gotta get on with other people, you have to discuss things, you have to agree things and you have to organise and make joint decisions on everything, whereas someone on their own doesn’t have that hassle. They can just perform, and they now have the ability and the technology to do it. Being in a band has social implications and interactions that some people don’t want, but plenty of people do. 1 Quote
Bass4real Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, SumOne said: Perhaps we've circled back in a way - not many could name the musicians in an Orchestra, in music halls, or in big bands, there was a frontman 'face/name' and the other musicians were quite interchangeable and unknown to audiences, somewhat similar to the Taylor Swift of Bruno Mars live band musicians. The days of pop bands with the whole band being reasonably well known as one unit was perhaps a bit of a blip in the timeline of popular music - and even in it's heyday there was still a lot of popular music without a popular band, stuff like Motown, a lot of Reggae, and solo artists like Elvis, Elton John, Bob Dylan. Ronnie Cremmer was one of Ms. Swifts first guitar teachers .he is a friend of mine He wasn't a good guitar player 20+ yrs ago Honestly he still isn't .I guess a shitty guitar teacher taught her more than he knew. How ? Don't care I'm from Reading Pa. Lived in West Reading.TS home town. Her music is not my kind of .music I'm going to make a guess and say my music is not your kind of music. To each their own right I'm a METALHEAD . No I don't worship the devil Have fangs and I wish the Name Taylor Swift wouldn't spend so much time in my topics . PS if you were in a symphony Orchestra and couldn't remember the names of the musicians that share the stage with you. It's easy actually Have a good one. : ?) Quote
SumOne Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Bass4real said: Ronnie Cremmer was one of Ms. Swifts first guitar teachers .he is a friend of mine He wasn't a good guitar player 20+ yrs ago Honestly he still isn't .I guess a shitty guitar teacher taught her more than he knew. How ? Don't care I'm from Reading Pa. Lived in West Reading.TS home town. Her music is not my kind of .music I'm going to make a guess and say my music is not your kind of music. To each their own right I'm a METALHEAD . No I don't worship the devil Have fangs and I wish the Name Taylor Swift wouldn't spend so much time in my topics . PS if you were in a symphony Orchestra and couldn't remember the names of the musicians that share the stage with you. It's easy actually Have a good one. : ?) I didn't say I was a Taylor Swift fan (or that I wasn't a metal fan), just that she is popular and rock music (or 'band' music) in general is getting less-so. And I didn't say people in an orchestra wouldn't know their fellow musician names, I'm saying that that a general audience won't know their names - but they will know the conductor/composer or the 'star' of the performance, similar to a Taylor Swift concert. 2 Quote
TimR Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Generally people can't name members of bands unless they're close followers. eg. I can name all of Iron Maiden. I can name 2 of the Smiths. 2 of Blondie. 1 of Ultravox. Quote
Woodinblack Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Pff.. I can hardly name all of my group and there are only 4 of us 9 Quote
p4ul Posted February 12 Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: Pff.. I can hardly name all of my group and there are only 4 of us hmm, am I in your band? it's hard to tell these days Quote
Bilbo Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I was in a band for a year with a drummer called Mike. I never knew his surname. 1 Quote
Woodinblack Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I was in a band for a year with a drummer called Mike. I never knew his surname. Drummers have surnames as well? Well, there is something I didn't know! 1 Quote
Greg Edwards69 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Richard Osman and Marina Hyde tackle this subject in their excellent podcast. Apparently, only three bands to have a single week at No.1 so far this decade - Radio 1 Live Lounge All Stars, The Beatles, and Little Mix! https://fb.watch/xK6ndcppeM/ Edited February 13 by Greg Edwards69 Quote
Woodinblack Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Greg Edwards69 said: Richard Osman and Marina Hyde tackle this subject in their excellent podcast. Apparently, only three bands to have a single week at No.1 so far this decade - Radio 1 Live Lounge All Stars, The Beatles, and Little Mix! and Wham (several times) Quote
Russ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 54 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: and Wham (several times) Not really a band, to be fair. Two singers, one of whom occasionally played guitar. But then we're getting into that whole difference between "band" and "vocal group"... Quote
Greg Edwards69 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 9 hours ago, Russ said: Not really a band, to be fair. Two singers, one of whom occasionally played guitar. But then we're getting into that whole difference between "band" and "vocal group"... Indeed, Wikipedia describes Wham! as an English pop duo. But yes, the etymology of "band" is open to all sorts of interpretation. Is a one-man band considered to be a band? Quote
BigRedX Posted February 14 Posted February 14 If you are going to include Little Mix as a band then Wham! qualify too. 1 Quote
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