cheddatom Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510331' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:19 PM']And would you?[/quote] No i've never bought from him. If it were me i'd search ebay for "y jack cable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) All you need to do is split your signal before the brown dog and pump that clean bass signal into the envelope input of the 00Funk. Job done. This is what the Brown Dog's envelope out is anyway, only difference is this connection is broken when the pedal is bypassed. Get one of these: Plug it into the Brown Dog input. Put your bass in one of the sockets, and a patch cable to in the other going to the 00Funk envelope input. Ta-Da! I did this with a Wooly Mammoth and WMD Fatman filter (which has an envelope input) with great results. Alternatively you can re-wire the Brown Dog envelope output to be always directly connected to the input socket instead of going via the footswitch. Edited June 10, 2009 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Funnily enough it was the comments on here that put me off the OS - problems with the firmware and usability etc. I thought that two seperate pedals would be easier. Looks like I was wrong! [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510307' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:02 PM']I think what TaySte meant was to put the Y cable before the Brown Dog, send one split to the Brown Dog input, and the other to the 00Funk envelope in. Same solution I suggested using an LS-2 really, but much cheaper. I'm always a bit sketchy about using Y-cables, but not for any rational reason. The Chunk Systems Octavius Squeezer. It has the 00Funk and Brown Dog circuits in it, and also a dedicated mixer (amongst other neat features) that makes sure the envelope follower always gets the clean input signal. Beginning would be best, so it gets the (best, cleanest) signal from your guitar and sends it to the envelope in on your 00Funk. But I would try it with a Y-cable first like TaySte suggested. If it works well enough then it'll be much cheaper than the LS-2 solution.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Heh, I used to have a headphone splitter on my board and felt very embarassed about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510343' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:27 PM']Funnily enough it was the comments on here that put me off the OS - problems with the firmware and usability etc. I thought that two seperate pedals would be easier. Looks like I was wrong![/quote] Yeah the O.S. is a bit... well, it's not as perfect as it ought to be for the money, put it that way. But it's difficult to slate it, they're a small company making an ambitious pedal, and I haven't been able to evaluate it properly yet. Mine went back to Chunk because of various issues - random crashes, random double-clicking from one of the footswitches, stuff like that. I think it was a power issue but maybe it was causing tracking issues too. It arrived home yesterday and the crashes and footswitch thing are definitely fixed, but I haven't had time to plug a bass in and check out the tracking yet. The tracking was fairly good before, about as good as an analogue octaver, but there was an issue with it sharpening notes on release which was annoying. I'll have to see if that's improved any. Overall though I'm impressed with it. Maybe it's a bit fragile, I've heard of a few requiring attention, but I have no complaints about the sounds. For me just the versatility on the filters (low-pass and band-pass, with envelope, ADSR, LFO and sample & hold controls) plus memory settings makes it worth the money, the fuzz is a great bonus on top, and even if the oscillator side of things never tracks properly I'd still keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgie Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Couldn't you connect them like normal (brown dog output to 00funk input) and then connect them via the envelope jacks? That way when the fuzz is off your clean bass is still going to the input of the pedal, but when you turn the fuzz on it's connected via envelope in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510332' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:20 PM']Ah Russ, as this was your idea it is bound to be horribly expensive!!![/quote] It does do EXACTLY what you need though. And so much more... Bit overkill... but hey, overkill never hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hey Higgie, Yes but when you turn the fuzz off it cuts the signal completely to the Agent 00Funk! Mark [quote name='Higgie' post='510517' date='Jun 10 2009, 07:05 PM']Couldn't you connect them like normal (brown dog output to 00funk input) and then connect them via the envelope jacks? That way when the fuzz is off your clean bass is still going to the input of the pedal, but when you turn the fuzz on it's connected via envelope in?[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 I have not had time to try this tonight but surely the headphone splitter product will not work as it is just putting two inputs into the brown dog and not one as input and the other as an output socket in the Agent 00 Funk or am I missing something? [quote name='dannybuoy' post='510342' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:27 PM']All you need to do is split your signal before the brown dog and pump that clean bass signal into the envelope input of the 00Funk. Job done. This is what the Brown Dog's envelope out is anyway, only difference is this connection is broken when the pedal is bypassed. Get one of these: Plug it into the Brown Dog input. Put your bass in one of the sockets, and a patch cable to in the other going to the 00Funk envelope input. Ta-Da! I did this with a Wooly Mammoth and WMD Fatman filter (which has an envelope input) with great results. Alternatively you can re-wire the Brown Dog envelope output to be always directly connected to the input socket instead of going via the footswitch.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510758' date='Jun 10 2009, 11:31 PM']I have not had time to try this tonight but surely the headphone splitter product will not work as it is just putting two inputs into the brown dog and not one as input and the other as an output socket in the Agent 00 Funk or am I missing something?[/quote] You got bad instructions again. If you put the splitter into the output of whatever comes before the Brown Dog, stick one split into the fuzz, the other into the 00Funk envelope in, it will do the same thing as a Y-cable. It basically [i]will be[/i] a Y-cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Hey, my instructions were good!!! Think about it - It doesn't matter if you put the splitter on the output of the pedal before, or on the input of the Brown Dog. It makes no difference whatsoever, you are still splitting the signal at the same point. It might look funny but it will work. Make sure you use a mono splitter like the one pictured and not one that's a stereo jack plug to 2 mono sockets though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 [quote name='dannybuoy' post='510797' date='Jun 11 2009, 12:27 AM']Hey, my instructions were good!!! [/quote] OK, well, I've never used a splitter like that, but I figured the plug would have to go into an output, not an input, and the sockets provide the split signal. Isn't that right? I don't see how it would work if you plugged it into the input on the Brown Dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 That was exactly my logic - having said that I have not tried it but will do later. Hey if it works then I am a happy bunny that is all I want right now! [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510829' date='Jun 11 2009, 01:31 AM']OK, well, I've never used a splitter like that, but I figured the plug would have to go into an output, not an input, and the sockets provide the split signal. Isn't that right? I don't see how it would work if you plugged it into the input on the Brown Dog.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Like I said, it might look unintuitive at first, but what you want to do is split the signal before the Brown Dog input and send that to the 00Funk envelope. A jack splitter on the Brown Dog input might look wrong, but remember at the end of the day they are just electrical connections and it makes no difference whether you split the signal a few inches before the input or directly at the input. It's not like the jack splitter only allows signal to flow in one direction. Here's a pic! You can use the splitter earlier in the chain if you have other pedals before the Brown Dog, in which case put the splitter on the input of the first pedal in your chain. Also, if you have a tuner with dual outputs (eg Boss TU-2, Ibanez LU-20) you can use that as your signal splitter which looks much neater. Edited June 11, 2009 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Illustrated instructions! Nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dannybuoy - very kind of you to produce a diagram and I particularly like the Bass illustration! I think that I might opt for a custom made Y cable from OBBM as in my mind it will look a bit neater - I am sure that this will work fine. Just need to figure out where to put the Chunk pedals into my existing EBS set up now!! [quote name='dannybuoy' post='510844' date='Jun 11 2009, 07:01 AM']Like I said, it might look unintuitive at first, but what you want to do is split the signal before the Brown Dog input and send that to the 00Funk envelope. A jack splitter on the Brown Dog input might look wrong, but remember at the end of the day they are just electrical connections and it makes no difference whether you split the signal a few inches before the input or directly at the input. It's not like the jack splitter only allows signal to flow in one direction. Here's a pic! You can use the splitter earlier in the chain if you have other pedals before the Brown Dog, in which case put the splitter on the input of the first pedal in your chain. Also, if you have a tuner with dual outputs (eg Boss TU-2, Ibanez LU-20) you can use that as your signal splitter which looks much neater.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I thought the chain you described before: Bass to EBS Octabass to Brown Dog to Agent 00 Funk to EBS Bass IQ to EBS Multi Comp to EBS Uni Chorus!! Is a good starting point. I would put the IQ before the Brown Dog though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 OBBM is a true gent and has offered to send me a Y cable to try and see if it all works. This forum is fantastic - thanks guys! [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510884' date='Jun 11 2009, 09:15 AM']Dannybuoy - very kind of you to produce a diagram and I particularly like the Bass illustration! I think that I might opt for a custom made Y cable from OBBM as in my mind it will look a bit neater - I am sure that this will work fine. Just need to figure out where to put the Chunk pedals into my existing EBS set up now!![/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 The guy at Chunk Systems strongly advised against putting a filter before the fuzz - don't know why though! [quote name='cheddatom' post='510891' date='Jun 11 2009, 09:27 AM']I thought the chain you described before: Bass to EBS Octabass to Brown Dog to Agent 00 Funk to EBS Bass IQ to EBS Multi Comp to EBS Uni Chorus!! Is a good starting point. I would put the IQ before the Brown Dog though.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 weirdos, just try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='511148' date='Jun 11 2009, 01:13 PM']The guy at Chunk Systems strongly advised against putting a filter before the fuzz - don't know why though![/quote] Weird. I can't see any rational reason to say that. I've set up a feedback loop inside my O.S. using the filter and fuzz before, Richard at Chunk commented on the results but never told me not to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Some fuzzes don't like it I guess, but it shouldn't cause any damage. For example, I think the Wooly Mammoth doesn't really work at all with my 442 filter before it, probably due to input/output impedances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayste_2000 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 [quote name='dannybuoy' post='511255' date='Jun 11 2009, 02:45 PM']Some fuzzes don't like it I guess, but it shouldn't cause any damage. For example, I think the Wooly Mammoth doesn't really work at all with my 442 filter before it, probably due to input/output impedances.[/quote] Fuzz into filter man should be a law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 True. Except for the WMD Fatman, the only filter that sounds crap after a fuzz but AMAZING afterwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I really liked my putting my bass balls into my big muff. Also, wah before distortion is the same thing, and that's pretty standard. I really like it the other way round too, but as this guy has the IQ and the Agent 00 he may aswell have both options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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