Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Last week I bought a Crafted in Japan Fender 75RI P-bass. Except I didn't. I've been playing Fender CIJ (or MIJ as they were & now are again) for 20yrs. The 24hr rapid despatch turned into a week later and I have what to me looks exactly like a Vintage Modified Squier with a Fender decal [url="http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/squier-vintage-modified-precisi/71000"]http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/squier...d-precisi/71000[/url] this is what it looks like to me! The advertised Crafted in Japan logo with the serial number at the base of the neck is nowhere to be seen! I was told it would be there and is in the listing. When did Fender Japan do "Duncan designed" pickups? Hmmmnn! The £880 bass that was sold as BuyItNow at £350 is basically a £229 bass with a £5 decal. Ironically it's quite a nice bass BUT I'm not paying nearly double for a second hand Squier. It's nice & light (agathis body, I reckon!) I've flagged it with EBay but now I've got a few weeks of being £375 down whilst it is all sorted. What a pain. Anyone think I'm too cynical here? Pics attached from the listing. Edited July 30, 2009 by BurritoBass Quote
Clarky Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Sorry, as the owner of one, thats not a CIJ 70RI. The pickups are wrong, there would be a thumbrest above the strings and a CIJ (or MIJ) logo at base of neck on rear. I think its exactly what you say it is - a Squier dressed up as a Fender. Over to eBay I'm afraid Quote
Musky Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Bummer. I think you're right to be cynical - I don't remember the 75RIs having those tuners with the domed tops. Do remember squiers having them though. Quote
JTUK Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) If it isn't what you thought it was or was advertsied as, then you have every right to be p****d off. I can't help with the authentification of it but hope you get your money back.. Edited July 22, 2009 by JTUK Quote
wateroftyne Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 The truss access on the headstock is the giveaway. Nightmare.. I hope it's sorted soon. Quote
stevie Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 [quote name='BurritoBass' post='547875' date='Jul 22 2009, 05:30 PM']Anyone think I'm too cynical here?[/quote] You can never be too cynical when buying off eBay. The week's delay has possibly allowed the seller to move his money out of Paypal. Same thing just happened to me but I managed to get a Paypal complaint in just on the seven days. I'm seriously considering jacking eBay in. Ten percent commision on sales is a ripoff. Quote
Clarky Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Here is a link to a real Fender CIJ PB70-US. [url="http://kenji-cij.blogspot.com/2008/11/pb70-us-owh-precision-bass.html"]http://kenji-cij.blogspot.com/2008/11/pb70...ision-bass.html[/url] You can see all the differences clearly. What about Paypal protection for a fraudulent purchase? Quote
LukeFRC Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 [quote name='wateroftyne' post='547887' date='Jul 22 2009, 05:41 PM']The truss access on the headstock is the giveaway. Nightmare.. I hope it's sorted soon.[/quote] you got there first hope it gets sorted. Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Thanks guys - I've 20yrs experience & I paid paypal so at least I'm covered but some poor kids are getting ripped off out there. My wife is more annoyed then me. I'm pee'd off but luckily the buyer protection is there. I've done more digging. She states she bought it on EBay earlier this year but has no feedback given or received since November. Slowly it's all starting to piece together. The photos are dark (at least on my laptop) but I hadn't even pulled it out the box before I realised this was iffy. I have 3 beautiful basses already but I can imagine the genuine heartbreak if this was my first bass. Quote
waynepunkdude Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 The work c*** is not too strong in this instance. Quote
Gareth Hughes Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 You're not being cyncial at all. You bought a falsely advertised item - end of story. Keep on at PayPal to recover your money. Chances are you mightn't get it all back. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but PayPal can only recover money if it's in the sellers account. The week delay in shipping might well mean they've done a runner, like Stevie suggested. I got ripped off buying a camcorder a few years back on eBay. No camera arrived, went thru the whole process of complaints/recovery and ended up with about £150 from a £250 camera. Good luck. Quote
budget bassist Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 shame it's a nice bass, makes it all the worse for having to send it back! Quote
neilb Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Hope you get some redress on this mate. That headstock is such a giveaway as not a Jap bass. They didnt do that satin finish, they were varnished and even the shape is not accurate. keep us updated..... Quote
TDM Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 If you used your credit card through Paypal you can probably get a chargeback done through your bank and the Paypal dispute will most likely side with you on this. Quote
xilddx Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 I'm so suspicious of ebay these days. You should have no problem getting your money back though. Hate to say this but maybe you should have posted the link on here before you bought it, but I guess that's inviting in the competition Feel for you. Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 [quote name='silddx' post='547969' date='Jul 22 2009, 06:44 PM']Hate to say this but maybe you should have posted the link on here before you bought it, but I guess that's inviting in the competition [/quote] Yep, that's exactly what I thought. An irony in that I did consider myself a bit of a P-bass expert. I don't know half of what I should on amps, strings & other basses (I'm here to learn!). Turns out I'm an expert on Fender P-basses 51-62 only! Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 [quote name='thedonutman' post='547963' date='Jul 22 2009, 06:39 PM']If you used your credit card through Paypal you can probably get a chargeback done through your bank and the Paypal dispute will most likely side with you on this.[/quote] Paypal direct from the bank. Watch this space Quote
mrcrow Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 next time i see an ebay sale item i will air it here for the folks that know to vet it a real illegitimate card to pull best of luck with the redress ps i did see a beaut camera on sale from a 'lady' with 0 feedback.... Quote
benebass Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Hi - I've been through the eBay dispute resolution scheme and it does work, but it takes ages. Bought a bass a couple of years ago that was advertised as having a 'low' action - when it arrived it turned out that you couldn't actually play a clear note past the 12th fret due to it bowing! In the end, a local bass guru wrote a letter for me backing up everything I said & eBay eventually refunded my money (they let me keep the bass too, but that went to the bass guru for parts). The letter made all the difference - if you can supply supporting evidence (e.g. a scan of a letter on headed notepaper, or an e-mail with a business address/phone number that allows them to make independent contact) it will do wonders for your case. Good luck - you'll sort it out if you are persistent... B. Quote
Mickeyboro Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) I did just that with a fake SHURE SM58. Many thanks to Pete at Stoke's Academy of Sound for helping me get a PayPal refund! Edited July 22, 2009 by Mickeyboro Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 At present EBay haven't withdrawn the seller. Anyone smell a rat with this? [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bass-Deluxe_W0QQitemZ270430451241QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3ef6e93629&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A25"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bas...%3A1%7C294%3A25[/url] Did I hear someone say "Squier"? 4th bass sold in recent weeks having never traded in them before! Quote
Marvin Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 As you have been sold something that is patently not what was described it may come under the distance selling act if it was a merchant. May be worth checking out and it is always nice to launch the word act of law at someone, they tend to wobble a bit. Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Just had this reply from the seller (outside of the Paypal dispute forum) Hi Tim, thanks for your email. My partner purchased the bass off ebay sometime back,only selling due to hard times. Was listed in good faith, and my partner purchased it as an original fender 75 re-issue from Japan for his collection, from a dealer! The serial number apparently is stamped on the neck where it is bolted on, so the neck has to be taken off to find this? This is the information that was supplied to my partner when he perchased it! Obviously, if this doesn't all check out i will be happy to sort the situation out for you. My partner will speak to you to give you all the information you require, his mobile number is 0**********9. Look forward to hearing from you and getting things sorted to everyones satifaction Best wishes Andrea Edited July 22, 2009 by BurritoBass Quote
xilddx Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Might be a good idea to remove that mobile number mate. Otherwise, looks friendly enough. Paypal naturally prefer you sort the situation out between you. Quote
wateroftyne Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 I've removed the number. *rolls eyes at BurritoBass* Anyway, it sounds like it could be a genuine mistake. Fingers crossed it's sorted without too much pain! Quote
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