Strap-locks

[Shaggy]

OK, it’s not the most exciting topic, but I’m currently building a custom Jazz 5-string, and after [*clears throat*] years of using humble strap-buttons thought I’d upgrade to strap-locks. Checked Allparts on-line and they do at least 3 types; Schaller, Dunlop (both push-release) and Gotoh (twist release). Anybody got any experience of these, or advice? Cheers!

[Old Horse Murphy]

I've always used Schallers for years. Never had a problem with them and they've never come undone on me (the straplocks that is).

They're pretty ugly though

[Alpha-Dave]

Schaller for me.

There was a huge thread in 'Misc equipment' about the various straplocks and their pros and cons, it'd be worth finding.


Edit: here you go.

[url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1887"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1887[/url]

Edited September 11, 2007 by Alpha-Dave

[The_D]

I just fitted some Schaller locks to my westone cause the buttons are in a crappy position. Havent really had the chance to road test them as such but they feel solid enough.

[Jean-Luc Pickguard]

If you can manage to drink a couple of fliptop bottles of Grolsch you'll find a pair of straplocks that fit your existing strap buttons attached to the stoppers. That's all I use on my basses after an unfortuanate incident where a schaller one unscrewed itself causing a bass to hit the floor.

[s_u_y_*]

I'm a fan of Jim Dunlop Dual Design. They have straplocks as standard, but you are able to fit a straplock-less strap onto it. I like to have that contingent that I can borrow another strap.

[Dodge]

Schallers used exclusively here, and I've tried 'em all!

[warwickhunt]

I've just won 2 Warwick sets off eBay (new from Aire Guitars) and the total inc carriage was £12.39 inc P&P. This includes the strap fitting and end-pins!

[bassicinstinct]

[quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='58774' date='Sep 11 2007, 04:13 PM']If you can manage to drink a couple of fliptop bottles of Grolsch you'll find a pair of straplocks that fit your existing strap buttons attached to the stoppers. That's all I use on my basses after an unfortuanate incident where a schaller one unscrewed itself causing a bass to hit the floor.[/quote]

+100000 on that.

I can never work out why anyone would want to actually [b]buy[/b] straplocks when this method is, as far as I can see and in my own experience, foolproof.

The only downside is that you have to drink Grolsch - unless you know a barman.

[Darcy]

Dunlop. Got them fitted to 2 bass and Schallers to one. Look, ease of use the Dunlops win hands down (cost more mind). Seen Warwick one's they look very similar (and cheaper)

[Lfalex v1.1]

Schallers for me.
But DO tighten them well, use two nuts on 'em and/ or use threadlock on them, as they [i]do[/i] loosen over time.
Make sure that your strap buttons are tight- filler or plug the holes so the screws really bite well. No good having tight straplocks if the buttons fall off the bass!
(That goes for [b]ALL[/b] methods!)
One to watch for- The screws holes in the Schaller strap buttons are quite small, limiting the size of the screws you can use with them, and consequently increasing their tendency to work loose...

Still Schallers for me, though!!

[Shaggy]

Thanks for all the good advice fellas - I guess I'll have to force myself to research the "Grolsch" method in order to further the science of Bassology (Newkie Brown tops no good?) failing which it's either the Schallers or the Dunlops.
They do look like nipple clamps though don't they? At least I imagine so - I've never seen any. Honestly.

[OutToPlayJazz]

I have Schallers on my Geddy Jazz and find them fiddly... But the Warwick ones on my Corvette $$ with the push-in pole are a much better design (as long as you make sure they've clicked in properly!)

[Hit&Run]

[quote name='bassicinstinct' post='58850' date='Sep 11 2007, 05:54 PM']+100000 on that.

I can never work out why anyone would want to actually [b]buy[/b] straplocks when this method is, as far as I can see and in my own experience, foolproof.

The only downside is that you have to drink Grolsch - unless you know a barman. [/quote]


Can't go wrong with the Glolsch straplocks.
The 500ml bottles cost about £1.50 in my local corner shop, so £3 gets you a set of straplocks and nearly 2 pints of drinky.

I got a set of schallers years ago, but don't use them as the Grolsch ones are top.
There's an old ashdown advert with Pino playing a sunburst fender, and what straplocks is he using?
Here's a clue: Glug Glug Buurrrp!

It's not just the rubber seals that you can recycle as well... [url="http://ecotopia.co.uk/goblet-grolsch-bottle.ir?cName=eco-gifts-all-gifts"]glass[/url]

Edited September 11, 2007 by Hit&Run

[99ster]

[quote name='Hit&Run' post='59032' date='Sep 11 2007, 11:17 PM']Can't go wrong with the Glolsch straplocks.
The 500ml bottles cost about £1.50 in my local corner shop, so £3 gets you a set of straplocks and nearly 2 pints of drinky.

I got a set of schallers years ago, but don't use them as the Grolsch ones are top.
There's an old ashdown advert with Pino playing a sunburst fender, and what straplocks is he using?
Here's a clue: Glug Glug Buurrrp!

It's not just the rubber seals that you can recycle as well... [url="http://ecotopia.co.uk/goblet-grolsch-bottle.ir?cName=eco-gifts-all-gifts"]glass[/url][/quote]


And another vote for Grolsch straplocks - these are used by loads of other pro players... especially good on vintage basses where you don't want to mess with the original strap buttons.
A no-brainer!

[Count Bassy]

I was the one who started the previous thread on this subject. I ended up buying the Dunlop ones, which I now have fitted all three of my basses. The main reason for this choice was that I didn't like the peg sticking out the end of the schallers, and tha fact that even if the C clip fails the strap will still not come off while its attached to the bass.

My only complaint with then is that the 'C' clip method of securing them to the strap does not allow for different strap thicknesses, whereas those with a nut fitting obviously do. Apart from that I've found them brilliant, and as someone has mentioned you can still use non straplocked straps (which I believe is also true for the schallers).

As well as securing the straps straplocks (except Grolsh ones) also allow for very quick changing around of straps.

Clive.

[charic]

Q parts have some good looking ones

[Phaedrus]

I've used Schaller, Dunlop & Warwick.


TBH, I've never had a problem with any of them.

But for value, I'm currently using Warwicks. As good as the rest IMO, but cheaper. I have had to give the top horn straplock a drop of WD40 once, cos a little metal dust was interfering with the sprung balls seating in the groove inside the button. Fine since.

Black:
[url="http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_straplocks_bk.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_straplocks_bk.htm[/url]

Chrome:
[url="http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_straplocks_chrome.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_...ocks_chrome.htm[/url]

Gold:
[url="http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_straplocks_gd.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/ie/warwick_security_straplocks_gd.htm[/url]


Mark

[Alien]

I use Planet Waves locking straps - no messing about with straplocks

[url="http://www.stringsdirect.co.uk/Catalogue/ViewProduct.aspx?productId=386"]http://www.stringsdirect.co.uk/Catalogue/V...x?productId=386[/url]

Andy

[bassicinstinct]

[quote name='bassicinstinct' post='58850' date='Sep 11 2007, 05:54 PM']+100000 on that.

I can never work out why anyone would want to actually [b]buy[/b] straplocks when this method is, as far as I can see and in my own experience, foolproof.

The only downside is that you have to drink Grolsch - unless you know a barman. [/quote]

Forgot to mention that one Mr David Gilmour can clearly be seen employing "the Grolsch method" on the Live8 concert footage.

Can we view that as "tacit endorsement"?

[Count Bassy]

Those warwick ones look interesting. Dunlop style locking pin, but with nuts to hold it onto the strap. All it needs now is a dunlop style dished washer to prevent accidental pushing of the release button.

Certainly a good price! Are they compatible with the dunlop system? i.e will a Warwick male part fit into a Dunlop female part and vice versa?

Clive

[warwickhunt]

[quote name='Clive Thorne' post='59966' date='Sep 13 2007, 04:48 PM']Are they compatible with the dunlop system? i.e will a Warwick male part fit into a Dunlop female part and vice versa?

Clive[/quote]

Yes!

[Veils]

Schaller all the way.

[Sean]

[quote name='presoulnation' post='60329' date='Sep 14 2007, 11:54 AM']Schaller all the way.[/quote]


Do not use the Warwick ones. Go for Schaller. The Warwick ones I use let me down yesterday and my Lakland 55-02 is now cosmetically scarred: the headstock hit the tarmac, ouch!

[warwickhunt]

[quote name='Sean' post='70514' date='Oct 7 2007, 09:34 AM']Do not use the Warwick ones. Go for Schaller. The Warwick ones I use let me down yesterday and my Lakland 55-02 is now cosmetically scarred: the headstock hit the tarmac, ouch![/quote]

Ouch!

How did they fail, what didn't work?