Rumple Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 In Cubase I have been using the free plug-in by MDA called Detune on the fretless bass parts and really like the sound a lot so I was wondering what sort of pedal I would need to recreate this sound in a live situation, to me it doesn't sound like any Boss phasers, chorus or flangers I owned in the 80's. Any help would be appreciated. R. [attachment=39242:MDA_Detune.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Looks like this plugin mixes in a pitch-shifted voice rather than modulate the pitch like a chorus pedal does. The POG2 may be overkill but might do the trick: Edited January 3, 2010 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 [quote name='dannybuoy' post='699691' date='Jan 3 2010, 05:01 PM']Looks like this plugin mixes in a pitch-shifted voice rather than modulate the pitch like a chorus pedal does. The POG2 may be overkill but might do the trick:[/quote] Good point dannybouy it isn't a modulated sound just an added voice pitch shifted, the POG2 would be an expensive way to reproduce a free plug-in, I wounder if there is something a bit cheaper that does the same job, I have Octavers and they don't do it as it's a perfect octave, I need something that makes me sound even more out of tune on a fretless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritch Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I have one of these, which works excellently on bass. It's got a detune function, and the ability to mix this with your bypassed sound. Not that expensive - probably a third of the price of the POG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) [quote name='ritch' post='699793' date='Jan 3 2010, 06:32 PM']I have one of these, which works excellently on bass. It's got a detune function, and the ability to mix this with your bypassed sound. Not that expensive - probably a third of the price of the POG![/quote] Cheers ritch, I had a look at some YouTube videos of the PS-5, they were all demos on guitar sadly but it may do what I need, does it has a control for delaying (Latency on the plug-in) when the shifted note starts? Also is the pitch knob infinitely variable or click in preset increments? R. Edited January 3, 2010 by Rumple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritch Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 [quote name='Rumple' post='699837' date='Jan 3 2010, 07:01 PM']Cheers ritch, I had a look at some YouTube videos of the PS-5, they were all demos on guitar sadly but it may do what I need, does it has a control for delaying (Latency on the plug-in) when the shifted note starts? Also is the pitch knob infinitely variable or click in preset increments? R.[/quote] Nope - the pitch knob will move it up or down by a 3rd, 5th, 7th, 1 octave or 2 octaves (worked out from which Key you have the "HR Key" knob set to). To be honest I haven't used it for any of the doubling up notes effects, just the tremelo arm setting, so I can press the pedal to make it dive bomb to an octave below. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 the chorus on a digitech whammy might be appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 [quote name='ritch' post='699935' date='Jan 3 2010, 08:30 PM']Nope - the pitch knob will move it up or down by a 3rd, 5th, 7th, 1 octave or 2 octaves (worked out from which Key you have the "HR Key" knob set to). To be honest I haven't used it for any of the doubling up notes effects, just the tremelo arm setting, so I can press the pedal to make it dive bomb to an octave below. Rich[/quote] Drat as I think it's the fact that the second note is slightly out of tune that is creating the sound I like. Thanks for your help. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 [quote name='cheddatom' post='700274' date='Jan 4 2010, 10:30 AM']the chorus on a digitech whammy might be appropriate.[/quote] Is the chorus on the wammy the same as other chorus effects? I have tried a couple and they dont give quite the same sound as the pug-in. Cheers R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 To my ears, it sounds closer to what you're after than a boss chorus for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Thanks for the info cheddatom, I'll put the Whammy on my list of pedals to try. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 My Zoom 708 has the very thing you're after & funnily enough, it's called Detune. I bought mine for £26 of ebay & have given it to my mandolinist to use on her mandolin, but she's reluctant to use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The Morpheus Droptune looks very impressive on guitar, seems to track full chords very well. I'd be extremely interested to see if it worked on bass! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='xgsjx' post='701595' date='Jan 5 2010, 01:54 PM']My Zoom 708 has the very thing you're after & funnily enough, it's called Detune. I bought mine for £26 of ebay & have given it to my mandolinist to use on her mandolin, but she's reluctant to use it![/quote] I had a quick look at the Zoom website and it does seem that their multi effect pedals have the detune function so this could be a cheap option to get the sound I want. I'm not a fan of red or multi effects units but hey if it get the job done cheaply I can't complain Many Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='Sibob' post='701615' date='Jan 5 2010, 02:12 PM']The Morpheus Droptune looks very impressive on guitar, seems to track full chords very well. I'd be extremely interested to see if it worked on bass! Si[/quote] Cheers Si, That's a pretty impressive polyphonic pedal, any idea how much it cost? there was no mention of a blend control between the dropped and original tone which seems like an omission. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I think the only blend possible is on the octave down (the furthest light on the left), not sure why you'd want to blend the original signal into a step or two steps down etc.....would sound dreadful lol. They look like they're coming in at about £149 Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='Sibob' post='701688' date='Jan 5 2010, 03:08 PM']I think the only blend possible is on the octave down (the furthest light on the left), not sure why you'd want to blend the original signal into a step or two steps down etc.....would sound dreadful lol. They look like they're coming in at about £149 Si[/quote] Weirdly that's what I'm doing with the plug-in, the dropped signal is only on at 40% causing a kinda subtle chorus effect but without any added modulation. maybe it's just covering up my poor fretless technique R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yeah I can understand blending an octave-down signal with an original signal, but not blending a normal signal (say an E) with a signal that is only detuned 2 steps, that would be a low E with a low C blended in.....yuk! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 As I understand it (wrongly probably) the detuned note I'm using is only a fraction of a semi tone out of tune creating a thickening effect, don't quote me on that though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Yeh if it's a fraction out it's a chorusy effect, if it was a semi tone or a tone out it would be a bit horrible (not necessarily bad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Thanks everyone for their help on this, unless someone comes up with another option I think I'll start out by trying the Zoom, I prefer small pedals to multi effects but this is the cheapest route so it's got to worth a go. if it doesn't dp the job I'll try some of the other suggestions. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 You get what you pay for imo Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumple Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Wise words Si, but sometimes that rule doesn't hold up for me, for instance I have an expensive EBS MultiComp which is excellent but I prefer to use a CS-2 most of the time - Odd I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I use loads of cheap pedals. I used to use a zoom gfx707 in combination with lots of other more expensive pedals and only ever had positive comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Fair enough, and to be fair, I don't use enough (or any?!) effects to have a decent enough opinion. But my limited experience with cheap effects is that they don't track as well as higher end gear. Obviously I understand that there are exceptions, cheap Choruses and distortions, compressors etc, people like......but effects that require decent tracking, like detuners, usually benefit from being of good quality. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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