funkle Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) This has also been posted by myself over at [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4835537#post4835537"]http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.p...537#post4835537[/url]. The website for the Players School is at [url="http://www.playerschool.com"]http://www.playerschool.com[/url] Not sure if this is the right forum, but any mods can move this if they feel it's appropriate....... Okay, after a month at the Players School of Music, I think I can now post a review. It may be of use to others who are considering attending. Overall, the whole experience was extremely positive. I can wholehearted recommend this place as place to learn your instrument solidly, and learn musicianship to a professional standard. Value for money is absolutely outstanding. In retrospect, it might have been worth going for 10 weeks, but the 4 week program has given me enough work to do for the next few years at the very least. I imagine if you did the year-long course, you'd end up as a monster; some guys do two years and I think would be absolutely astounding musicians. Interestingly, Jeff Berlin gives a talk on the first day of the course where he essentially says that your playing is likely to get worse over the first month of being there, with subsequent radical improvement. My experience did not quite follow this. My background is that I am a full-time professional who does music as a treasured hobby. I have gigged plenty in the past doing funk, soul, and some funkier/fusion-type jazz, but not real straight-up jazz. Before I came here, I could already sight read bass clef (to an okay level only ), chord charts (moderately), play chord tones for the min/maj/dim/augmented/dom7th/m7b5 chords (in only a few positions), had a a little understanding of the chordal scale, and had some very simple harmonic analysis under my belt (how I – ii - V chords function, some understanding of common chord progressions, tritone subs, and some other subs from Carol Kaye's writings). I did not truly understand harmony that well, and my technique on the instrument was (and is) fairly average. As it turns out, my fretboard knowledge was nothing like as good as I had hoped either. On the plus side, I had recently started teaching myself piano, and could read a little treble clef because of this. I sat a harmony exam at the beginning of the course to place me in the correct class for this. I ended up in Harmony 1 (the starter class), but as I was a little further on in my understanding they also let me sit in on Harmony 2. This kind of attitude was common at the school; if you wanted to push yourself harder/further they were very happy to accommodate you. Although this kind of assessment is a tad painful, it needed to be done to understand how my comments may or may not apply to you. Right. All that out of the way; now we can look at what I gained from my time. My schedule consisted of 11 hours a week of taught classes: 1 hour x2/wk Ear Training 1 hour x2/wk Private Lessons (with Jeff Berlin) 1 hour /wk Harmony 4 hours /wk Ensembles 1 hour /wk Chart Reading/Performance 1 hour /wk Guitar Maintenance Let's break each of these down. [b]Ear Training:[/b] I was in the beginner class. We were taught solfege, sight reading treble clef, conducting patterns for 4/4, 3/4, and 2/4 time, and simple rhythm patterns. Each week the exercises ratcheted up in difficulty, and I imagine if I stayed on longer things would get a lot harder. I passed the midterm exam (singing and conducting the major scale in solfege from memory, then the same for the ‘I ‘chord) before leaving. I have noticed a small but definite difference in how fast I pick up things now, but a great deal more work would be needed here to have 'jazz ears'. I’m going to have to keep on with this after I leave, as well as everything else…… [b]Harmony:[/b] There is one textbook for all Harmony classes. The teacher for this is a great guy, a seasoned pianist named Matt Bokulic; he also wrote the textbook. Harmony 1 during my time there covered the chromatic scale, accidentals, major scale construction, clef types, major/minor intervals and inverting of these, and tetrachords/Circle of Fifths. It will move on after I leave to triad construction, inversions, and the chordal scale. Harmony 2 covered major, minor, m7b5, and dom 7th chords over the same time, with students expected to be able to write these in root position or any of the three inversions. This class pushed me and was really helpful - I can now construct these chords in both treble and bass clef and am using them to help rip apart jazz tunes to help practice them..... The harmony book Matt wrote seems pretty complete for only 32 pages - but it is 'basic' harmony. I note that after the sections I have already covered, it covers subordinate chord subs for primary chords, secondary dominants, tritone subs, modulation, voice leading, further chord tensions, and direct harmonic analysis. Seems pretty good for a ‘basic’ harmony book - I haven't even hit those sections yet.... Before I left, Matt gave me pretty much a complete list of things to do/write/play harmonically to help teach myself jazz further. That's why I now have a list of things to practice/do that will take a couple of years....or ten years..... [b]Private Lessons:[/b] It has to be said, this is one of the main reasons to come here, if no other.....private lessons with Jeff Berlin twice a week! Sadly, during my time, Jeff was only there for two weeks, and another chap, Joe Public, had to stand in for Jeff during the last two weeks of lessons. Nonetheless, Jeff really pushes you hard and I noticed improvement over the four weeks. I would have done a lot better over 10 weeks though.... Jeff had me: 1. Relearn my left hand technique. 2. Write out and play all the chords to a couple of standards. 3. When I finished with that, I then wrote out all the inversions to those chords and played them. 4. Improved my fretboard knowledge by getting me to play a standard and play all chord tones all the way up and down the neck, connecting them smoothly. 5. Subsequently I started writing out some beginner solos using only chord tones. Needless to say, my soloing, reading, fretboard knowledge, and left hand technique have all improved. Studying with Jeff was interesting. He has the ability to pick out what you need to do in a very short space of time - most of my lessons lasted about 20 mins or so - but he managed to motivate and push me to improve/do a lot in a very short space of time. I enjoyed studying with Joe, but Jeff is really something else. He can occasionally be impatient, but if he knows you're doing your work and practicing regularly, then he can tell extremely quickly and he is very supportive. I always felt able to approach him (or any member of the staff) with questions. It's worth pointing out here that private tuition is available for free when you're at the school. [b]Ensembles:[/b] Every day except Wednesday, every player was expected to play in an 'ensemble' - the level of which was determined by playing ability, but was dynamic; as people improved/felt the need to change, and if the instructors agreed, people could be moved - the ensemble typically composed of a drummer, guitarist, bassist, and others as available. Tunes played would start with simple chord progressions and move to Standards, with emphasis on group interaction, soloing, comping and walking correctly, and suggestions for playing generally. Basically, playing in a band 4 days a week is great for getting your musical interaction and playing/soloing together.....enough said. [b]Chart reading/Performance:[/b] This class focused on sight reading correctly and playing different styles of music as you would on a gig. I could sight read the first book pretty well so the instructor gave me some of his arrangements to sight read, which was just right for my level of playing, but also pushed me. This class had very little emphasis on soloing - just sticking to the music. Very useful.....and some hip tunes to play too. [b]Guitar Maintenance:[/b] This was the surprise class to me - I really enjoyed it. I had wondered if it was just a ‘fill-in’ hour, but it was anything but. The guy who teaches it, Mick Donner, is a very well known tech (personal tech for Jeff, as well as a lot of traveling pros), and he has plenty of stories to tell from his days at Peavey, Dean, Washburn, and Parker.....not even mentioning his gigging days too....This class was a pleasant hour on a Friday with an opportunity to hear about all things technical with bass guitars and improved my knowledge of the physics side of instrument in a significant way. Mick also does set-up work for people on the course if you ask nicely..... Quick comment on the school grounds etc......the school itself is found behind the local Sam Ash store and has some interestingly faux-Greco Roman grounds. Used to be a restaurant, apparently. There are quite a few practice rooms, but there's always competition for them. There's one main room for ensembles and a classroom for the Harmony/Ear Training/Guitar Tech classes. The school’s facilities are overall adequate, not very fancy (a few bathrooms, a kitchen and office/hanging out area, lots of bass/guitar/music mags also). They also have WiFi and a PC there for you to check your email – that was a very nice touch. Overall, this was a really great month. Generally I practiced/wrote out music/did ear training for 3 hours or more a day; I would generally come in for 9 for classes and leave at 5 having done all my work/practice. I didn't practice more in the evenings unless I had not done so during the day; however, I would do harmony writing and other bits of work at home, especially to help improve my own understanding. Make no mistake, do not expect an easy ride if you decide to come here. Although 11 hours a week of taught classes doesn't sound like much, you will work VERY hard to stay on top of everything that's thrown at you. This is no classical conservatory; neither is it the halls of stuffy academia – the emphasis here is on being a rounded (and working) musician. Jazz is the taught music here, because it encompasses a huge amount of harmony, reading, technique, and interaction......but I note just about everyone who is here (students and instructors) like a whole range of music, from rock, heavy metal and funk to jazz, Cuban music, and so on. If you come here I can honestly put my hand on my heart and say I think you will be doing the best thing for your playing that you could ever do. And pretty cheaply too, when you compare to other music schools. I am not sure if there are any comparable programmes in the UK. I would appreciate hearing about it if there are! I'll miss it. Pete Edited October 26, 2007 by funkle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyl Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Thanks for the post - very interesting! How much did it cost you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Let's see.....the costs broke down like this: Registration fee - $100 (about 50 UKP) Course fees for 1 month - $1700 (call it 850 UKP) Housing - $600 (300 UKP) Food - $400 (200 UKP) Books - $60 (30 UKP) Car Rental for 5 weeks - 400 UKP Petrol - only 45 quid so far!! All told, not cheap at about 1875 quid or so. Pretty expensive for one month! But I wasn't willing to commit more money for longer until I saw what the place was like. Also, you might be able to get by without a car.......but in the USA that is extremely difficult. If you came for 10 weeks, then the cost per day could actually be a good deal cheaper - you might be able to negotiate better rates for housing, car rental. Course fees for 10 weeks are about $3800. Hope that helps. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelouis Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Thanks for the post, sounds great ,really intense. Could you list the books they recommend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 That sounds like a wonderful experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 It really was a great experience. I would highly recommend it, if you can afford it. I would be even more pleased to find something like this closer to home.....maybe people know if there's something similar in London? As for the books....they ones they use are all written in-house. So sadly I cannot make any recommendations. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Holy Necro thread Batman! For some reason I thought about the Players School today. What happened to it? It seems to be 100% online now, and nothing like it used to be. I always fancied doing one of their short courses in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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