PauBass Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) I'm looking for a portable drum machine or trainer to use as a practice/study tool. I'm a bit lost, don't know much about them and don't want to spend a lot of money... Please, could you give me some advice, please? Thanks! Edited October 26, 2007 by PauBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD2 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 You can't go far wrong with an [url="http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/3354"]Alesis SR16[/url]. They've been around for a long time now so you should be able to find one second hand. Good sounds and fairly easy to program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I have a Zoom MRT 3, and its a cinch to use and produces a useful range of drum sounds. Keeps time better than a Swiss watch and is WAY more reliable than a real drummer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I've a Zoom multi FX unit I bought on the bay for £20 or so. Got a good basic drum machine and some great FX. Bass in, headphones out. Simple as! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks guys! [quote name='Beedster' post='80066' date='Oct 27 2007, 11:30 AM']I've a Zoom multi FX unit I bought on the bay for £20 or so. Got a good basic drum machine and some great FX. Bass in, headphones out. Simple as! Chris[/quote] Could you tell me exactly which model is it, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 [quote name='PauBass' post='80150' date='Oct 27 2007, 02:59 PM']Thanks guys! Could you tell me exactly which model is it, please?[/quote] Here's the details, a gret little toy 708 II - Bass Multi-Effect Console with Drum Machine and Sampler 69 Effects, 9 simultaneously. Several variations of chorus, flange, reverb, delay and wah. 60 pre-programmed patches, 60 customizable Built-in Expression pedal Built-in drum machine with 60 patterns Built-in 6 second memory SmartMedia® cards expand your sampling time. (16MB = 4 Minutes, 128MB = 36 Minutes) Adjust playback speed without changing the pitch Detailed spec and info below: 69 Different Effect Types, 9 Effects Simultaneously The 708II offers 69 different effects, available within 7 effect modules, compatible to latest bass guitar sounds. 7 EFFECT MODULES Pickup selector Adjust the input sensitivity for Active or Passive pickup Drive Pick from 33 types of amp modeling and bass guitar effects 4 band EQ Boost or cut four frequency range-High, Mid-high, Mid-low, and Low Noise reduction Includes Zoom Noise Reduction (ZNR) and a Noise-Gate Cabinet Cabinet simulator reproduces the tone of all the great cabinets Modulation A variety of effects like Chorus, Phase, Pitch-shift, Flange, Wah and more Delay / Reverb Produces several classic ambient effects 33 types of Amp Modeling & Bass Effects Thanks to the use of Zoom VAMS (Variable Architecture Modeling System), the drive module contains 11 "personalities" including 3 Amplifier modeling and 8 Bass oriented effects. Each personality has 3 styles: Classic, Standard and Modern. Therefore, a total of 33 types of bass sounds are available. These personalities, such as fat amp, bright amp, rock amp, compressor, limiter, 8 band EQ, isolator, enhancer, overdrive, distortion, fuzz, octaver and bass synth, can be selected or changed easily using a dedicated knob and button anytime. 120 Kinds of Practical Patches By combining effects and settings for each parameter, the user can create, edit and store 60 patches. Together with the 60 pre-set patches, a total of 120 patches are available. The Foot Switch can be used to change patches instantly. Using the patch swap function, you can easily arrange patch sequence to match the playlist of a live performance. 3 Analog Knobs Offer Easy Editing When you want to change or create effects, 3 parameters can be modified at once using the analog knobs. You can independently adjust multiple parameters that affect each other, such as the Gain/Tone/Level of the Drive, the Speed/Depth/Mix of the Chorus, or Time/Tone/Mix of the Reverb, simultaneously. While in Play mode these 3 knobs are assigned as follows: 1.Main drive parameter, 2.Main modulation parameter, 3.Mix balance of Reverb/Delay. You can fine tune these to match any performance condition. Built-in Expression Pedal An expression pedal is built-in. Using a dedicated pedal assignment key, you can easily change its function anytime. Also, different settings for each patch can be checked by looking at the LED indicators. You can adjust and store minmum and maximum value for each patch using the expression pedal for wah-wah, volume, or speed. PEDAL FUNCTIONS Pedal wah-wah Pedal pitch shift Speed or Depth parameter Drive gain Mix balance of Delay or Reverb Master volume Turn the sampler function ON/OFF Designed For Live Performance Zoom's live performance design philosophy is featured at every critical point. The 708II features a large display for patch names, numbers and banks, that is highly visible on a dark stage. Extremely portable, compact, and light-weight the 708II has a dual power supply system for batteries or AC power, a low power consumption circuit that allows for 11 hours of use on alkaline batteries, and easy-to-read auto chromatic tuner. Drum Machine Function 60 different rhythm patterns are included. They cover a wide variety of genres, from basic 8- and 16-count beats, to pop and dance rhythms. Inheriting the drum machine technology of our popular RhythmTrak Series, the PCM sound makes it possible to practice using real drum sounds, not just a metronome. Sampler Function Up to 6 seconds of your favorite guitar sounds or musical phrases can be sampled through the AUX IN. Using an optional 128 MB Smart Media card, the sampling time can be expanded to 32 minutes. Using a foot pedal, sampled sounds can be played once, or looped indefinitely. Built-in data storage is 16 bit un-compressed high quality sound. You can slow down the re-play speed of a sample up to 25 percent without changing the pitch--excellent for phrase training. Patch-Sync Function 60 effect patches can be linked with 60 drum patterns, and 60 files of sampled sound. You can perform highly sophisticated playing techniques with simple operations, such as changing effects and drum patterns together while playing, or re-playing different sampled sounds with each patch. Using Smart Media Cards (optional) Using a 32 MB Smart Media card as expansion memory, you can store up to 60 files for the sampler and 5 groups of patch memory. Using a Smart Media reader/writer with a USB interface, Smart Media card can also be used as an interface between the 708II and your PC. You can back up data, as well as exchange patches and samples on the Internet. SPECIFICATIONS Effect Type : 69 Effect Module : 7 Maximum Simultaneous Effects : 9 Patch Memory : 120 (User60+Preset60) Sampling Frequency : 31.25kHz A/D Conversion : 20bit 64times oversampling D/A Conversion : 20bit 8times oversampling Bass Input : 1/4"Phone Jack x 1 Nominal Input Level : -20dBm Input Impedance : 470k ohm AUX Input : 1/8"Stereo phone jack x 1 (Nominal input level : -20dBm, input impedance : 20k ohm) Output (Used as both line and headphone) : 1/4"Stereo phone jack x 1 Maximum Output Level : +3dBm (at load impedance 10k ohm or more) Display : 6digit alphanumeric LED, 2digit 7segment LED, Pedal Assign LED x 7, Drive variation LED x 3, Module LED x 9 Maximum sampling time (without Smart Media) : 6seconds Sampler playback speed : x 1, x 1/2, x 1/4 Preset rhythm pattern : 60 Power Requirement : AA size (LR6) Battery x 4 (Optional) , or AC Adaptor DC9V/300mA/Center Minus type (Optional, AD-0006 recommended) Battery life : 11hours or more (Alkaline type) Dimension : 249 (W) x 195 (D) x 57 (H) mm Weight : 860g (without battery) Optional accessory : Smart Media (16MB~128MB, 3.3V) , AD-0006, AA size Battery *0dBm=0.775Vrms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 Great Info Beedster, Cheers! Any more input,advice on Drum Machines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 you can't go wrong with the SR16 as mentioned before. i got one for £20 and i think it's probably one of the best machines out there for the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 This seems pretty similar to what I use and it's finishing in a couple of hours [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zoom-B1-bass-effects-pedal_W0QQitemZ330179104731QQihZ014QQcategoryZ22669QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zoom-B1-bass-effects...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Beedster' post='80680' date='Oct 29 2007, 09:05 AM']This seems pretty similar to what I use and it's finishing in a couple of hours [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zoom-B1-bass-effects-pedal_W0QQitemZ330179104731QQihZ014QQcategoryZ22669QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zoom-B1-bass-effects...1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zoom-B1-bass-effects...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]</a> Chris[/quote] Thanks! One more thing Chris: can you edit the drumm patterns? Ad fills, combine patterns... Edited October 29, 2007 by PauBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauBass Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 [quote name='BOD2' post='79962' date='Oct 26 2007, 09:04 PM']You can't go far wrong with an [url="http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/3354"]Alesis SR16[/url]. They've been around for a long time now so you should be able to find one second hand. Good sounds and fairly easy to program.[/quote] [quote name='The Burpster' post='80054' date='Oct 27 2007, 09:46 AM']I have a Zoom MRT 3, and its a cinch to use and produces a useful range of drum sounds. Keeps time better than a Swiss watch and is WAY more reliable than a real drummer! [/quote] [quote name='dudewheresmybass' post='80638' date='Oct 29 2007, 12:21 AM']you can't go wrong with the SR16 as mentioned before. i got one for £20 and i think it's probably one of the best machines out there for the price[/quote] I have been looking around but cannot find any soundclips of these Drum Machines... is there any chance of you guys posting them? It would be great! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 You can't go wrong with Alesis SR-16, always loads on ebay. I would also recommend Zoom 2-3-4, for it's wide variety of sounds & ease of programming. My own favourite is Alesis HR-16, nice old school sounds. Very easy to programme as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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