Vintage MIJ (formerly J@pCr@p) Spotting

[Bassassin]

No link! Had a quick look the ending soon & recently ended stuff & can't find it.

Put us out of our misery, Musky!

J.

[Musky]

Oh bugger - sorry about that.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-ELECTRIC-BASS-GUITAR-4-STRING-STATUS-QUO-SIGNAT_W0QQitemZ290279352094"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-ELECTRIC-BAS...emZ290279352094[/url]

An Aria Cardinal ended yesterday as well, a CSB Deluxe. I don't remember one of these coming up before and a I was sorely tempted especially as it was black. Didn't go for it in the end because of the pickup placement and the fact that I recently bought a CSB 380, but it only went for £99. Prices do seem to dropping a hell of a lot...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-Aria-Cardinal-CSB-Deluxe-Bass-Guitar-Made-in-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ120342547483"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-Aria-Cardinal-CS...emZ120342547483[/url]

Edited December 8, 2008 by Musky

[neepheid]

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='341481' date='Nov 30 2008, 10:28 PM']I never seen one of these before. Quite nice in a toilet seat kind of way.
I know a fellow BCer, keen on short scales and lives round the corner from me who would love this.[/quote]

Heh, I did see that one. Not at that price though. Not at any price at the moment, actually - no early Xmas pressies from me to me

[Bassassin]

[quote name='Musky' post='348376' date='Dec 8 2008, 09:55 AM']An Aria Cardinal ended yesterday as well, a CSB Deluxe. I don't remember one of these coming up before and a I was sorely tempted especially as it was black. Didn't go for it in the end because of the pickup placement and the fact that I recently bought a CSB 380, but it only went for £99. Prices do seem to dropping a hell of a lot...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-Aria-Cardinal-CSB-Deluxe-Bass-Guitar-Made-in-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ120342547483"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80s-Aria-Cardinal-CS...emZ120342547483[/url][/quote]
I dunno - I think people are being circumspect about bidding on stuff with relatively high start prices, like that APII. It sold for its start price, £99, while that other piece of broken crap started at a tenner and made it to £78! Which is outrageous considering it's incomplete, the neck & body are very probably from different instruments (ever seen a maple dot board on a JapCrap J? Me neither) and bloody Status Quo might have scrawled all over it! What's [i]wrong[/i] with people??

J.

[Musky]

[quote name='Bassassin' post='348421' date='Dec 8 2008, 10:52 AM']I dunno - I think people are being circumspect about bidding on stuff with relatively high start prices, like that APII. It sold for its start price, £99, while that other piece of broken crap started at a tenner and made it to £78! Which is outrageous considering it's incomplete, the neck & body are very probably from different instruments (ever seen a maple dot board on a JapCrap J? Me neither) and bloody Status Quo might have scrawled all over it! What's [i]wrong[/i] with people??

J.[/quote]

Yeah, I was wondering about the dot board as well. As for the Quo 'signatures', they all looked in the same writing to me. Combined with the half hearted attempt at drawing the Quo logo on the bridge cover, it looks more likely someone was just displaying their allegiances.

[Sean]

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-CSL-IBANEZ-JAZZ-BASS-GUITAR-SOLID-BODY-NO-RSV_W0QQitemZ220325854759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item220325854759&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]CSL Jap Jazz[/url]

really hard to see that blemish on the neck for what it is. Great colour body.

[Starvolt]

[quote name='Sean' post='350183' date='Dec 9 2008, 09:03 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-CSL-IBANEZ-JAZZ-BASS-GUITAR-SOLID-BODY-NO-RSV_W0QQitemZ220325854759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item220325854759&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]CSL Jap Jazz[/url]

really hard to see that blemish on the neck for what it is. Great colour body.[/quote]

It might just be me, but that headstock looks HUUUUUUUUUUUGE! Neck Dive Paradise...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EMG-POWERED-JAZZ-BASS-GUITAR-C-W-FREE-FENDER-PICK-79_W0QQitemZ370126607005QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item370126607005&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EMG-POWERED-JAZZ-BAS...%3A1|240%3A1318[/url]

Now that's a misleading title!

You see the word Fender, then the price, and think: "No."

[Happy Jack]

This is a real 'Marmite' bass:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass-XV200RD-MATSUMOKU-Hardcase-NR_W0QQitemZ110323972082QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item110323972082&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass...A1%7C240%3A1318[/url]

Me?

Yuk.

[sgt-pluck]

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='350334' date='Dec 10 2008, 12:21 AM']This is a real 'Marmite' bass:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass-XV200RD-MATSUMOKU-Hardcase-NR_W0QQitemZ110323972082QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item110323972082&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass...A1%7C240%3A1318[/url]

Me?

Yuk.[/quote]

She's ugly - but I would

Pluck

[Bassassin]

Oh yes - that's one to turn up to a jazz or country gig with!

J.

[zbigniew]

[quote name='Sean' post='350183' date='Dec 9 2008, 08:03 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-CSL-IBANEZ-JAZZ-BASS-GUITAR-SOLID-BODY-NO-RSV_W0QQitemZ220325854759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item220325854759&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]CSL Jap Jazz[/url]

really hard to see that blemish on the neck for what it is. Great colour body.[/quote]

Agreed on the colour! I wonder what it sounds like - does anyone have an idea how close those are to a good Jazz?

Z

[Bassassin]

[quote name='zbigniew' post='350933' date='Dec 10 2008, 04:04 PM']Agreed on the colour! I wonder what it sounds like - does anyone have an idea how close those are to a good Jazz?

Z[/quote]

My main squeeze just happens to be a CSL Jazz:



However: it's not the same as that one - it's quite a lot later, about 79/80, built by Fujigen, solid mahog body, Ibanez Blazer shape headstock.

I'm not convinced the one on the Bay is Fujigen (early Sumbro & CSLs weren't) it might be ply under the finish - which I don't think is original - and I really don't like that hole in the neck - if that really is an imperfection in the wood, not damage, I'd be a bit concerned.

Also the round-end JapCrap pups can be variable - I've had a few basses with these, they can be weak & insipid, loud & unsubtle (wish I'd kept those! ) or generally well-rounded, punchy but pleasantly mellow like my CSL. The body routes match the pups so you'd probably have to do a bit of modification to get a standard set to fit.

J.

[zbigniew]

Many thanks for the great answer Bassassin - just as expected from the guru (now where is that "bow down to the master" emoticon)

Not that I'll be bidding on that bass though - us Icelanders are in a bad way financially and exchangerateally

Good looking CSL you have there also!

Z

[Bassassin]

Jazz copies identical to mine were also sold as Cimars (it's that Ibanez connection again) and these are fairly common in Europe, and with any luck there will be some knocking around in Iceland - keep your eyes peeled!

J.

[Happy Jack]

I know these were famous for their poor QC but surely they weren't THIS badly made?

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1960s-Short-Scale-Bass-Guitar-RARE-FIND-129_W0QQitemZ140288172648QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item140288172648&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1960s-Short-Scale-Ba...A1%7C240%3A1318[/url]

I don't know which is more concerning - that neck pocket or the fact that the pickups are mounted crooked.

[Bassassin]

That looks like this '68 Teisco:



In which case the crooked P-pup's not original. I can't quite tell from the pic but I think it's not the neck pocket, but the scratchplate that's a poor fit. These turn up quite often, either as Teisco or Woolies (RIP) Top Twenty brand - considering how non-original this is, £130 is far too much.

J.

[Mr. Foxen]

Think we've discussed this style of tuner before, but this has a logo. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-collectable-Ibenez-MIJ-60s-70s-Bass-guitar_W0QQitemZ190273516875QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item190273516875&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-collectable-Ibe...%3A1|240%3A1318[/url]

[Prosebass]

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='350334' date='Dec 10 2008, 12:21 AM']This is a real 'Marmite' bass:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass-XV200RD-MATSUMOKU-Hardcase-NR_W0QQitemZ110323972082QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item110323972082&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westone-Dynasty-Bass...A1%7C240%3A1318[/url]

Me?

Yuk.[/quote]

I'm a big Westone fan but thats just a bit OTT....."Thunderbirds are GO" Then again if its cheap enough....

[Happy Jack]

[quote name='Prosebass' post='352244' date='Dec 11 2008, 10:46 PM']I'm a big Westone fan but thats just a bit OTT....."Thunderbirds are GO" Then again if its cheap enough....[/quote]

Bizarrely, it's growing on me!

Now that I've realised it's actually modelled on a Klingon Warbird and is presumably equipped with a Cloaking Device it's beginning to get to me.

[Prosebass]

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='352272' date='Dec 11 2008, 11:19 PM']Bizarrely, it's growing on me!

Now that I've realised it's actually modelled on a Klingon Warbird and is presumably equipped with a Cloaking Device it's beginning to get to me.[/quote]

Shall we have a bidding war in 10p increments ? you start .......

[Bassassin]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='352227' date='Dec 11 2008, 10:30 PM']Think we've discussed this style of tuner before, but this has a logo. [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-collectable-Ibenez-MIJ-60s-70s-Bass-guitar_W0QQitemZ190273516875QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item190273516875&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-collectable-Ibe...%3A1|240%3A1318[/url][/quote]
Yep, that's a proper 60s/early 70s Ibby, or "Ibenez", as the seller would have it:



And with any luck its original burst is waiting to be revealed, once the tacky rattle-can gold all flakes off, or it gets chucked in a handy barrel of acetone. That interesting bridge - or the saddles, at least - are unlikely to be original.

J.

Edited December 11, 2008 by Bassassin

[Happy Jack]

[quote name='Bassassin' post='352277' date='Dec 11 2008, 11:28 PM']And with any luck its original burst is waiting to be revealed ...

J.[/quote]

My luthier had an all-original Greco Jazz from the late 70's in his workshop yesterday. Felt great, played great, but the sunburst was just unbelievably crap.

[Born 2B Mild]

Hey Captain Japcrap ...is this of interest to collectors of Nipponese [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-Bass-Guitar_W0QQitemZ130274382692QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item130274382692&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]tinder[/url]?

[Ou7shined]

[quote name='Born 2B Mild' post='353035' date='Dec 12 2008, 07:34 PM']Hey Captain Japcrap ...is this of interest to collectors of Nipponese [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-Bass-Guitar_W0QQitemZ130274382692QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item130274382692&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]tinder[/url]?[/quote]
See [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=34111"]this[/url].

[Born 2B Mild]

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='353043' date='Dec 12 2008, 07:41 PM']See [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=34111"]this[/url]. [/quote]
ooops. Thanks for letting me know about that. I wonder what Bassassin has to say about it anyway?