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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='785976' date='Mar 25 2010, 04:07 PM']I'm sure it was last year I first spotted that the German guy was trying to sell one of the Ibanez Artist Basses. Not quite the same model, [b]I think[/b] mine had four knobs.

He's still trying to sell it. At £865.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1978-IBANEZ-ARTIST-BASS-made-in-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ120542534148QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item1c10e51a04"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1978-IBANEZ-ARTIST-B...=item1c10e51a04[/url]

Edit: Would these instruments have been made in the Fujigen factory?[/quote]
Yep - it's reckoned all 70s & early 80s Ibanez electrics were from there. Fujigen was used for Ibanez up to the 90s but I think they came from other factories as well later on.

There are some pics of control / pickup variations on 2626B basses here:

[url="http://www.ibanezregister.com/Gallery/basses/artist/gal-2626b.htm"]http://www.ibanezregister.com/Gallery/bass...t/gal-2626b.htm[/url]

These all have 3 knobs but clearly specs changed from time to time so there's no reason why yours couldn't have had 4.

J.

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='786012' date='Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM']Yamaha BB1200. A quick google suggests that this is MIJ, while the BB1000 is made in Taiwan. But, a quick google does not always reveal the truth![/quote]

Not always. Currently own a '79 BB1000 finished in natural, and clearly stamped Made in Japan on the reverse of the headstock. Think it's the case that at some point in '84 Yamaha established production facilities in Taiwan, and thereafter moved production of certain models outside of Japan.

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Thanks Jon. I was thinking that mine had gold knobs like this 70's artist guitar on ebay right now



But looking back and forward between the 2626b black knobs and these gold ones, I'm no longer confident!

[quote name='noelk27' post='786110' date='Mar 25 2010, 05:51 PM']Not always. Currently own a '79 BB1000 finished in natural, and clearly stamped Made in Japan on the reverse of the headstock. Think it's the case that at some point in '84 Yamaha established production facilities in Taiwan, and thereafter moved production of certain models outside of Japan.[/quote]

Thanks. I hadn't really noticed these instruments before, but looking around, they seem very popular.

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='785437' date='Mar 25 2010, 06:39 AM']Absolutely loads of it comes up on ebay, so the selling value is well known.

I don't know the market like others, but just recently Westone Thunder basses have been going for about £100. Loads of stuff goes between £100 and £200. And the higher end such as SB1000 basses will go for several times that.

When I was a teenager I played bass. I had an Ibanez Artist bass. When I looked to see what one was worth, I only found one on sale, being sold by (as others describe him) "That German w***er" for £800! That doesn't set market value as that guy sells all sorts of stuff for unbelievably high prices. Or, "attempts to sell", I should say. However, I found a post where someone in the US had bought one for US$500 and considered that a notable bargain.

Did you see the picture of the Rickenfaker "project" that Jon sold for £180? Have a look in the Rickenfaker thread.[/quote]

Thanks for that.
Prices arent too bad then, Ive seen a few that look ok but probably dont play very well. Seems like people just like basses.. which is good.
My first bass was an Ibanez from the 70s, havent been able to find a pic of anything similar on the web. I sold it for £30 in '84.

Couldnt find the Rickenfaker thread but have seen a few of those on here.. its all new to me. Its just luck that I was never duped into buying one
at full price!

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[quote name='Bassassin' post='785501' date='Mar 25 2010, 08:55 AM']Depends what you mean by worth anything. With very few exceptions there's nothing that makes it into pre-CBS Fender value territory, but as the esteemed Mr Twit says, most JapCrap commonly sells in the £100 - £400 (ish) bracket.

Where it becomes interesting is when this stuff (still commonly regarded as old, cheap & throwaway junk by the people who find it in their lofts & garages) turns up at car boots, charity shops, on Gumtree etc for buttons, which allows 'orrible gyppos like me the opportunity to buy (for example) 2 old guitars for £35, run them under the tap & then collectively Ebay them for £320.

There aren't too many bargains on Ebay any more because it's overrun by the sort of people who will pay pretty decent money for JapCrap, and plenty of people with their grimy car boot Avon Les Pauls, insisting they're "Lawsuit Ibanez with a different name".

Fun & games. Wanna buy a Matsumoku L6S copy? :rolleyes:

J.[/quote]

Ha, ha.. think Ill pass on the L6S :)

Thats a grand way to make a few quid for yourself, I was laughing at the 'bin jumping gyppo' on your avatar, penny has dropped now!
Great that old basses are still sought after and worth a few quid. Ill keep an eye on this thread and try to learn some more about JapCrap!!
Keep up the good work man.

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[quote name='Musicman69' post='786211' date='Mar 25 2010, 07:27 PM']Couldnt find the Rickenfaker thread but have seen a few of those on here.. its all new to me. Its just luck that I was never duped into buying one
at full price![/quote]

The Rickenfaker thread should be very close to this one. Sticky at the top of this Ebay Links forum.

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Can anyone help with an Aria SB1000 query?

I've been offered a 1983 SB1000 that's up for sale. Its in great nick, it just has one problem but I'm not sure if it's an easy repair or not?

Its fine until your switch it active, then the sounds distorts. Is this an easy repair do you know? I'm hesitant to buy it if the BB circuit is crewed and not repairable!

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Electronics are comparatively easy to rectify. Not having more info about the problem, the important thing here is whether or not the active circuit is encased in resin (therefore inoperable) or a standard PCB type circuit board. Bad wiring is a piece of piss to fix.
If it's all that's wrong with it then AFAIC it would be worth a punt - worse case scenario is you end up replacing the stock circuit with something else.

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[quote name='Ou7shined' post='786388' date='Mar 25 2010, 09:59 PM']Electronics are comparatively easy to rectify. Not having more info about the problem, the important thing here is whether or not the active circuit is encased in resin (therefore inoperable) or a standard PCB type circuit board. Bad wiring is a piece of piss to fix.
If it's all that's wrong with it then AFAIC it would be worth a punt - worse case scenario is you end up replacing the stock circuit with something else.[/quote]

SB-1000 = Epoxy-potted Black Box (at least on the Series 1, not sure about the S2). As far as I could make out from some terminal forensic examination of mine, it's just a unity-gain buffer. All the tone controls appear to be passive. So not really "active" as we generally use the term.

I binned mine & wired it all passive - simples.

Pete.

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='786012' date='Mar 25 2010, 04:36 PM']Yamaha BB1200. A quick google suggests that this is MIJ, while the BB1000 is made in Taiwan. But, a quick google does not always reveal the truth![/quote]

No, indeed it doesn't. I have a BB800 from 1979 ish which is definitely made in Japan. AFAIK BB800 and BB1000 were made in Japan between 1977 and 1981, and I thought that they were then discontinued. Could be wrong about that.

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='783811' date='Mar 23 2010, 06:50 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1976-Antoria-Les-Paul-Bass-Guitar-Japan-Fuji-Gen-Relic_W0QQitemZ260574013293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3cab6be76d"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1976-Antoria-Les-Pau...=item3cab6be76d[/url]

Antoria Les Paul-ish bass.[/quote]
Wow. One of these sold before Xmas for £215, and I thought that was a lot.

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[quote name='Ou7shined' post='786445' date='Mar 25 2010, 10:54 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GRANTSON-JAZZ-BASS-GUITAR-COPY_W0QQitemZ220578293021QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item335b7da51d"]Grantson J[/url] - block and bound, '70s position pup and (wait for it) "Gigged only once" :) :rolleyes:[/quote]
If anyone's interested, reserve's a ton on that. Can't tell too much from the pics but from what I can see & what I know of the brand, it'll be the same as the Columbus J copies - decent neck, OK hardware & a ply body.

Nice early Ibanez Blazer here, being advertised by the one living soul who has never seen a Precision:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260574311883"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=260574311883[/url]

And not a JapCrap (and not a "vintige 1970 ts merlin marlin" either, whatever that's meant to mean) but an Italian Melody M5000:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290418006777"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=290418006777[/url]

- which is what [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNUSUAL-VINTAGE-BASS-GUITAR-HOME-MADE-PROJECT_W0QQitemZ320499932030"]this[/url] would once have looked like, before some drooling maniac mutilated it with a bandsaw.

J.

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[quote name='Bloodaxe' post='786406' date='Mar 25 2010, 10:17 PM']SB-1000 = Epoxy-potted Black Box (at least on the Series 1, not sure about the S2). As far as I could make out from some terminal forensic examination of mine, it's just a unity-gain buffer. All the tone controls appear to be passive. So not really "active" as we generally use the term.

I binned mine & wired it all passive - simples.

Pete.[/quote]

Thanks for all the advice guys, I think I'm going to leave this bass on eBay for someone else to pick up...

It has been relisted 4 times already, with no bids each time anyway. The risk of buying a dud that i have to refit with new parts and end up losing the great BB circuit sound makes it pointless buying it in the first place. I'll just be patient, a good series 2 SB1000 will surface soon, hopefully! :)

Cheers!

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A very tidy-looking Columbus Jazz, for what seems to me to be a realistic price.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/70s-Columbus-Jazz-Bass-Vintage-MIJ_W0QQitemZ320507989597QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item4a9fc3ce5d"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/70s-Columbus-Jazz-Ba...=item4a9fc3ce5d[/url]

I had one like this in the late '70s and it was OK

And a short-scale EB0 Columbus copy too. The woods are full of 'em!

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ270550169100QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3efe0bf60c"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR_W0QQitem...=item3efe0bf60c[/url]

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WESTBURY-TRACK-2-BASS-GUITAR-MATSUMOKU_W0QQitemZ170465532507QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item27b0899a5b"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WESTBURY-TRACK-2-BAS...=item27b0899a5b[/url]

Westbury Track 2 bass. One of these failed to sell (twice) @£150. This one is up for £295.

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[quote name='Johnston' post='789466' date='Mar 29 2010, 03:03 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kay-VINTAGE-Through-Neck-Bass-Guitar-Hard-Case-Option_W0QQitemZ330415794177QQcategoryZ4713QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8834950907883941418"]Kay[/url]

£36 and just under a day to go !![/quote]

I do like neck through instruments with natural finishes.

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='790077' date='Mar 29 2010, 10:42 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vantage-VS-695B-Bass-Matsumoku-Japan-Not-Westone_W0QQitemZ390176491946QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item5ad854c9aa"]Vantage[/url]

Might be Korean though.[/quote]
That's a 1980-ish Matsumoku one. By the time production shifted to Korea (about 1986) the "stripy" look wasn't very fashionable any more & Korean Vantages are much more conventional-looking. The Korean stuff that looks like this Vantage (like the Kay that's been talked about a few times recently) is from the same late 70s/early 80s era.

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Don't know if anyone has spotted this - I am very, very tempted but currently own to many slightly broken fretless Ibanzes. A week ago would have brought it for the pickups and the active circuit. :)

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290419028106&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching#ht_500wt_945"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ng#ht_500wt_945[/url]

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