Examples of the jazz bass "Growl"

[HMX]

[quote name='99ster' post='841712' date='May 19 2010, 09:21 AM']Yep - spot-on. That's nailed it for me.
Though I think he uses a [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YLDb2hiLU"]pair of Dark Stars in his Jazz here[/url]?[/quote]
Yeah, pretty sure he uses Dark Stars. I'd love some but expense and effort..

[gafbass02]

yup jazz bridge tone is def a burp imho

[mildmanofrock]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='732073' date='Feb 1 2010, 08:07 PM']A key part of that tone is looking really smug and wearing a silly hat so don't forget that.[/quote]




I really admire the playing on this - not just Jaco but all of them - and wish I could come even slightly close to that ability. Real chin strokers music though. Not my cup of char at all.

[bubinga5]

No no no...

this is Jazz bass growl....played lower on the E string, gets the growl goin even more

IMHO its both pups up..the back pup sound is burp not growl..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw...feature=related[/url]

Edited May 20, 2010 by bubinga5

[CHRISDABASS]

[quote name='bubinga5' post='843241' date='May 20 2010, 04:05 PM']No no no...

this is Jazz bass growl....played lower on the E string, gets the growl goin even more

IMHO its both pups up..the back pup sound is burp not growl..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw...feature=related[/url][/quote]


Ive just been watching that video!!

Great bass tone!!

[bluesparky]

Maybe it should be in the wiki! - How the words burp, growl, woolly, clunky, oomph, beefy etc compare to sounds.
I've read reviews about equipment which have used words to describe sounds, but it's hard to try and work out what those sounds the reviewer actually means!
Is "growl" limited to just the sounds jazz basses are capable of making or can it be applied to anything that sounds like that characteristic feature of a jazz bass with both pups on full?

[Delberthot]

[quote name='bubinga5' post='843241' date='May 20 2010, 04:05 PM']No no no...

this is Jazz bass growl....played lower on the E string, gets the growl goin even more

IMHO its both pups up..the back pup sound is burp not growl..

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d9eydCfTdw...feature=related[/url][/quote]


I don't hear any growl - I'd call this 'parp'

growl to me is when you're overdriving the preamp in your amp so its distorting in a nice way - either that or you've got a GK head with the boost up at about 1 o'clock. The action has to be low enough to get some fret buzz as well.

Take tonight for instance - I've got the action on my Epi T-Bird as low as it will go until I get the Hipshot on it so that when I dig in it turns into a snarling animal. The only bass I've managed to get an action as low was my Modulus Flea Bass. I tried to lower the pickups a shade but they only go down so far.

Anyway, growl is mainly heard on the E string and if you want to hear my definition of it you need to come and listen to my band.

The growl is undeniable, it sounds like a dirty chainsaw with mucho rust going on

4:52 is where you hear it most but the sound in general is how I'd define growl

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voBODG8kvLw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voBODG8kvLw[/url]

Edited September 5, 2010 by Delberthot

[Paul S]

So what is this? Turn to Stone, Joe Walsh (or Barnstorm or whatever)



Growl, snarl or just simple distortion? Whatever it is, I like it

[HMX]

Sounds like 'gritty' distortion to me. Maybe some growl? Argh, all of these nondescript words!

[RayFW]

Whilst I love the Jazz Bass sound in the Erykah Badu clip above, I personally wouldn't say that is "growl".

To me, this is growl:

[Vibrating G String]

[quote name='Josh' post='731927' date='Feb 1 2010, 10:10 AM']It's simply down to playing on a soloed bridge pick up with the correct approach and adequate E.Q.[/quote]
Jaco said he didn't solo the bridge in an old Guitar Player interview. He plays with his fingers close to the bridge and that also accentuates the harmonics. Though it's common to say he soloed the bridge pickup it never sounded like that to me.

[Vibrating G String]

[quote name='Conan' post='841715' date='May 19 2010, 01:25 AM']Of course! But then how would you compare the sounds of different basses? You have to admit that a P sounds different to a J, and to a Rickenbacker, and a Jaydee, a Status.... etc. If it weren't for subjective words like "Growl" how would we compare tones?[/quote]
Accurately?



Seems growl is bassplayer for overdrive.

[Vibrating G String]

[quote name='bluesparky' post='945823' date='Sep 4 2010, 07:21 PM']I've read reviews about equipment which have used words to describe sounds, but it's hard to try and work out what those sounds the reviewer actually means![/quote]
I've always taken it to mean the reviewer has no idea. It's like descriptions of wine or soap. Flowery verbiage with no real meaning used in attempt to sound in control.

I want to see frequency graphs with real numbers! We can't even agree what midrange or fundamental means let alone round or growly.

[Vibrating G String]

[quote name='Paul S' post='945868' date='Sep 5 2010, 12:03 AM']So what is this? Turn to Stone, Joe Walsh (or Barnstorm or whatever)

Growl, snarl or just simple distortion? Whatever it is, I like it [/quote]
My first attempt to recreate that would be with a distortion and a phase 90 pedal. Sounds growly to me.

Glenn Hughes es muy growly. Jump to 1:46

[SteveO]

[quote name='Josh' post='731927' date='Feb 1 2010, 07:10 PM'][/quote]
God I hate that track!. The tone of the keys in the intro puts me in mind of 20 cats playing kazoos not quite in unison. Its the audio equivalent of nails running down the blackboard and spiders crawling up your legs multiplied a million times.

[/tangental rambling]

[JTUK]

A rear pickup ala Jaco honking is never a growl sound.
The guy from Rush has a growly sound from that clip and is borderline grind, IMO.

Grind and growl can be pretty close, but nowhere near what a rear pickup.hard pluck action is going for.

[bottlebassman]

[quote name='Jerry_B' post='732927' date='Feb 2 2010, 02:53 PM']I think there's a Dead Kennedys song along similar lines... [/quote]
Would that be "Dog bite, on my leg, not right, supposed to beg" lol! great stuff!!!

[lanark]

[quote name='Josh' post='731927' date='Feb 1 2010, 06:10 PM']It's simply down to playing on a soloed bridge pick up with the correct approach and adequate E.Q.

The most agreeable example of the Jazz growl is almost everything Jaco played on:




Who's got the better growl is purely down to personal preference, but as for a guide to what the Jazz bass growl is I think most of us would agree Jaco is the best place to start.[/quote]

I don't know about growl but Jaco, whereas I obviously appreciate his skill and technical ability, epitomises everything I don't like about virtuouso instrumentalists. It's all "look at me, look at me" and almost entirely masturbatory. In fact I'd go as far as to say that Weather Report contain pretty much everything that puts people off jazz.