Deep Thought Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Gather round, boys, and harken unto my tale of woe. There once was a prize prat who owned two combos, a Trace 1 x 15, his favourite, which he bought to replace his Ashdown Mag 4 x 10 with which he was not terribly happy. Pain that it is to sell amps, he kept the Ashdown, planning at some stage to trade it in for something else, possibly a 4 x 10 cab to get the full whack out of the Trace. It came to pass that the prize prat had a gig, and it occurred to him on the day before said gig that it might be an idea to run the two combos together for some extra wallop (why I have no idea, as the place the prize prat was playing was pretty small and the Trace on its own would have been fine). Anyhow the prize prat started fiddling around with things he did not fully understand, (and if the daft sod had read his manual properly it would have told him how to do it), and although he did not really know himself what he had done, he stuck the wrong jackplug in the wrong hole, and there came a funny noise and a spark, and suddenly neither amp would emit a sound. So now on the eve of a gig the prize prat had managed to bugger both his amps in one fell swoop. In a state of great desperation (envisaging having to buy a new amp which he could ill afford) he threw himself on the mercy of his local shop (Music Technology in St.Austell) who, fine bunch of men that they are, hired him a brand new Behringer and 2 x 10 cab for the night. The Behringer performed extremely well (the prize prat had to turn down 'cos he was too loud) and the gig went well. The prize prat has just had a text from his local amp repairer who reports that both amps have been saved by the fuses and are OK, and he is going to pick them up this afternoon, thankfully getting away with a bill for only £20. So harken ye, men, unto my tale, and do not do what the prize prat was foolish enough to do, and muck about with something if you do not really know what you're doing, but if you must, at least read the manual properly first. The prize prat got away with it this time, but it could have been a whole lot worse. How do I know all this? I was that prize prat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_JimBob Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) Wow, you got off light, i guess I saw the same 'trick' take out two Trace Elliot 300W combos. When we opened them up, the output transistors looked like they had just faced a firing squad. 'Twas not a cheap job.... Edited November 3, 2007 by El_JimBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Speaker signals shall not go anywhere except unto speakers! Glad to hear things arent totally FUBAR, it would suck to lose two amps like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 [quote name='Jack' post='83195' date='Nov 3 2007, 01:23 PM']Speaker signals shall not go anywhere except unto speakers! Glad to hear things arent totally FUBAR, it would suck to lose two amps like that. [/quote] And the Lord looked down upon the World and Saw the folly of using the Quarter Inch Jack for both the Input and the Output, and he was filled with sorrow. And so he spake unto Neutrik and sayeth he: "Fix it!" And Lo was created the Speakon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Glad it wasn't serious and was sorted so cheaply. My old Trace combo's power board once selfdestructed with a loud fart at the start of a rehearsal once just by switching it on (with the gain & volume down to zero as usual) resulting in a £200 bill to replace the board. No idea what caused it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee4 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 And the Devil did wispereth into mans ear,saying"You are a man,what do you need a manual for?" And man did disregard the instructions,and the Devil did titter mightily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='83204' date='Nov 3 2007, 05:52 PM']And the Lord looked down upon the World and Saw the folly of using the Quarter Inch Jack for both the Input and the Output, and he was filled with sorrow. And so he spake unto Neutrik and sayeth he: "Fix it!" And Lo was created the Speakon.[/quote] And with the Speakon came unto the world the abilty to actually handle high currents. And so it was written that Adam no longer shocked himself upon the open contacts of the 1/4". And the Lord saw this, and it was good. EDIT- Actually why do we still use 1/4"? Are they that much cheaper? Even 'big' bass companies have 1/4" speaker jacks on some amps. I cant think of any speakons on guitar amps (low current maybe?) wheras pro audio amps ALWAYS use them (or banana plugs, which I guess are just as good at not being 1/4" as Speakons) Edited November 3, 2007 by Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 MB1. Some People will stop at nothing to get that classic Burnel sound! Happy to hear you got it resolved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 [quote name='Jack' post='83236' date='Nov 3 2007, 02:56 PM']Are they that much cheaper?[/quote]Less than a quarter as much. At manufacturer's cost the difference is perhaps a pound. Multiplied by a few thousand units used in a year's production that pays for a week or two on the Cote D'Azur for the CEO. Which is of no great consulation if it's your amp toasted for the lack of Speakons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 £20 is not too bad. and you will naver make that mistake agian. my new amp has speakons. they are nice. very very easy to wire. no soldering anymore! also arnt speak ons only made by Neutrik so i guess they can demand higher prices than some no-name 1/4 jack sockets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='Deep Thought' post='83103' date='Nov 3 2007, 12:52 PM']Gather round, boys, and harken unto my tale of woe. There once was a prize prat who owned two combos, a Trace 1 x 15, his favourite, which he bought to replace his Ashdown Mag 4 x 10 with which he was not terribly happy. Pain that it is to sell amps, he kept the Ashdown, planning at some stage to trade it in for something else, possibly a 4 x 10 cab to get the full whack out of the Trace. It came to pass that the prize prat had a gig, and it occurred to him on the day before said gig that it might be an idea to run the two combos together for some extra wallop (why I have no idea, as the place the prize prat was playing was pretty small and the Trace on its own would have been fine). Anyhow the prize prat started fiddling around with things he did not fully understand, (and if the daft sod had read his manual properly it would have told him how to do it), and although he did not really know himself what he had done, he stuck the wrong jackplug in the wrong hole, and there came a funny noise and a spark, and suddenly neither amp would emit a sound. So now on the eve of a gig the prize prat had managed to bugger both his amps in one fell swoop. In a state of great desperation (envisaging having to buy a new amp which he could ill afford) he threw himself on the mercy of his local shop (Music Technology in St.Austell) who, fine bunch of men that they are, hired him a brand new Behringer and 2 x 10 cab for the night. The Behringer performed extremely well (the prize prat had to turn down 'cos he was too loud) and the gig went well. The prize prat has just had a text from his local amp repairer who reports that both amps have been saved by the fuses and are OK, and he is going to pick them up this afternoon, thankfully getting away with a bill for only £20. So harken ye, men, unto my tale, and do not do what the prize prat was foolish enough to do, and muck about with something if you do not really know what you're doing, but if you must, at least read the manual properly first. The prize prat got away with it this time, but it could have been a whole lot worse. How do I know all this? I was that prize prat.[/quote] Ummmmmmm.................. time to request a site admin to change your forum name from "Deep Thought" to "Not Quite As Deep As You Thought Thought" Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Thought Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='Hamster' post='83368' date='Nov 4 2007, 12:56 AM']Ummmmmmm.................. time to request a site admin to change your forum name from "Deep Thought" to "Not Quite As Deep As You Thought Thought" Hamster[/quote] In this instance 'Insufficient Thought' would be more appropriate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul, the Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Is the Ashdown 410 not 8 ohms? Surely you could have just plugged the speakers in the Trace's extension out. Then everything gets used except the Ashdown head...(no big loss)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 bit late now paul, the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionbassist1 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 lucky you....very lucky you....or should I say 'ye'. losing the ashdown wouldn't have been that bad though, the unforseen spark would have been it's only chance to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsymoth Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 twenty british ponds to replace two fuses ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='fusionbassist1' post='83988' date='Nov 5 2007, 02:45 PM']lucky you....very lucky you....or should I say 'ye'. losing the ashdown wouldn't have been that bad though, the unforseen spark would have been it's only chance to shine.[/quote] Did someone wake up cranky this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalfunster Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 So can someone answer why my ampeg svt3 pro has only 1 speakon output but 2 1/4" jacks??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 [quote name='originalfunster' post='84266' date='Nov 5 2007, 11:30 PM']So can someone answer why my ampeg svt3 pro has only 1 speakon output but 2 1/4" jacks???[/quote] I think BFM has probably covered that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalfunster Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 [quote name='Musky' post='84296' date='Nov 6 2007, 02:06 AM']I think BFM has probably covered that one.[/quote] BFM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 [quote name='originalfunster' post='84367' date='Nov 6 2007, 11:10 AM']BFM?[/quote] Bill Fitzmaurice. I was referring to Bill's post about speakons costing roughly 4 times as much as jacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
originalfunster Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 oh ok and there i was looking for a topic titled BFM.... doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul, the Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 [quote name='Musky' post='84372' date='Nov 6 2007, 11:44 AM']Bill Fitzmaurice. I was referring to Bill's post about speakons costing roughly 4 times as much as jacks.[/quote] Kudos to the vintage vibe but I don't expect Ampeg to skimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionbassist1 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 [quote name='Jack' post='84218' date='Nov 5 2007, 09:21 PM']Did someone wake up cranky this morning? [/quote] of course not i've been using a ashdown evo3 (i think), ashdown 4x10 and 1x12 as a lent rig with a band i've been playign with recently as my setup's out of action and i must say we don't get along very well. i'll admit that if you want that bassy round, phat sound that lies underneath everything (what i now call 'the ashdown sound') then they do that ok but nothing special. but that's ALL they do. after jamming every button and vomiting on the silly slidey things and the not so responsive turny things i got nothing but a sh*tty trebly sound that sounded like all the speakers had been replaced by tweeters, and poor ones at that. nothing against mr ashdown, it's just not my thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodl2005 Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 [quote name='gypsymoth' post='84008' date='Nov 5 2007, 03:18 PM']twenty british ponds to replace two fuses ?[/quote] GLAD SOMEONE finally pointed this out!!!!! Ye gad!!!! 5 pounds more like it! while you wait too! Glad U got it sorted for little $$$$ AND that the fuses saved the amps & yr ass!! But I always keep a few spare fuses with me, just in case a "knowledgeable" roadie turns, plugs or prods something he/she doesn't understand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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