Gray Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) Spotted this a few days ago sitting at £600, and then the listing disappeared and has reappeared today with a more ''realistic'' price [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1963-fender-precision-bass-guitar_W0QQitemZ270535788955QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3efd30899b#ht_500wt_945"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1963-fender-precisio...9b#ht_500wt_945[/url] What do we reckon ? Genuine ? Edited February 22, 2010 by Gray Quote
OldGit Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Looks Ok but then again No feedback... No serial number .... Normal procedures - ask for the serial number and specific images to see if he actually has it, then insist on trying it before the end of the auction, at least.... Quote
Happy Jack Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 He's got Zero feedback and he's trying to sell a £3000 bass with three poor photographs of the bass, sitting on a mattress on the floor of an untidy room. Hmmm. What could possibly go wrong? Quote
warwickhunt Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Mind I'd be knocking £20-£30 off for a new set of strings... saying that you could probably sell a set of 47 year old flats on here! Quote
Guest MoJo Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='Happy Jack' post='754443' date='Feb 22 2010, 09:54 PM']He's got Zero feedback and he's trying to sell a £3000 bass with three poor photographs of the bass, sitting on a mattress on the floor of an untidy room. Hmmm. What could possibly go wrong? [/quote] PMSL Quote
ednaplate Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Battered body but a mint looking headstock with perfect decal. Mmm slightly fishy methinks. Quote
Cat Burrito Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Is the coat hanger in the first photo included in the sale? I should co-co! Quote
tom1946 Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 A friend of mine who has a shop selling old things, bought a 3 grand 1962 P bass off a woman who found it in the loft after her hubby died. The description was a little too detailed for an old woman.. Showed me it and asked what I thought, my first question was 'how did you pay for it?' It was as original as a not very original thing, looked like a roughed up mex to me. Why do people hand over silly money to someone they've never met on an auction site? Quote
OldGit Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) If you are seriously looking at this, go around, strip it, take pictures of the key parts and get them to Howard. (The Bass Doc) Everything can be faked but Howard will know... Incidentally the seller has not replied to my request for a serial number and more pictures....... Edited February 23, 2010 by OldGit Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 My gut feeling is it's genuine. Having listed it once in an open-ended way, some one has pointed out that the seller is sitting on more of a goldmine, hence the intro price of £3000. This may well have been after someone paid a visit to check the authenticity. I could be wrong of course and only more detailed photographs would confirm but my money is on it being a very well preserved example of a real '63. Quote
BottomEndian Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='The Bass Doc' post='754849' date='Feb 23 2010, 11:43 AM']I could be wrong of course and only more detailed photographs would confirm but my money is on it being a very well preserved example of a real '63.[/quote] Is it just me who dings the headstock way, way more often than the body? That headstock looks [i]pristine[/i] -- pretty much identical to my 2009 Precision, apart from the fact I've already put a couple of doinks in the end. Might it not be a new neck on an old body? Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='BottomEndian' post='754857' date='Feb 23 2010, 11:49 AM']Is it just me who dings the headstock way, way more often than the body? That headstock looks [i]pristine[/i] -- pretty much identical to my 2009 Precision, apart from the fact I've already put a couple of doinks in the end. Might it not be a new neck on an old body?[/quote] Undinged headstock is usually a sign that the bass player has played with an excellent drummer - my '63 headstock is full of marks from the skull of bad time-keeping drummers who needed the odd reminder of the tempo. Quote
BottomEndian Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='The Bass Doc' post='754930' date='Feb 23 2010, 12:59 PM']Undinged headstock is usually a sign that the bass player has played with an excellent drummer - my '63 headstock is full of marks from the skull of bad time-keeping drummers who needed the odd reminder of the tempo.[/quote] If your '63 is the "light relic" that looks like it lost a fight with an angle-grinder, the headstock's the least of your worries. Quote
slobluesine Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) i got this from him... "like iv said to people its never been taken apart to take pictures of the neck stamp and the serial number is L1963 " ser L1963 the Bay is such a joke these days hey Edited February 23, 2010 by slobluesine Quote
OldGit Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 I've asked for detailed pictures of the normal stuff. Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='OldGit' post='755091' date='Feb 23 2010, 03:26 PM']I've asked for detailed pictures of the normal stuff.[/quote] Looking forward to that - my reputation is in jeopardy here! We need a picture of the neck-plate in particular - L 1963 makes no sense but I still think it's somebody a bit 'green' rather than a scammer. Watch this space...................................................not that one, this one.............................................................................................. Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Just seen the added pics - I'm sticking to my opinion that it's real. Quote
GreeneKing Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 The patina of the fingerboard makes it look it's age imo. The number on the neck plate is actually more like L10963 than L1963 I think. I don't know much about Fenders but I'd say it warrants a look if you're interested and have the spondoolahs. Quote
JTUK Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 My general feeling is that if this guy wants to get decent money for it, it is rather down to him to prove its worth or rather it is what he says it is. Quote
warwickhunt Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 I have to say the patina on the fingerboard (and the colour of the dots), body, scratchplate etc. all look very period correct; even the rust on the pup slugs BUT in comparison that headstock and rear of the neck look 'quite' new and shiny! My main concern is the number of people involved in taking the last photograph... I spot feet belonging to at least 3 people! Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='755330' date='Feb 23 2010, 07:08 PM']I have to say the patina on the fingerboard (and the colour of the dots), body, scratchplate etc. all look very period correct; even the rust on the pup slugs BUT in comparison that headstock and rear of the neck look 'quite' new and shiny! My main concern is the number of people involved in taking the last photograph... I spot feet belonging to at least 3 people! [/quote] I have seen necks that clean before - it's the fingerboard pics that convince me it's genuine. The foot at the top right (CAR painted toe nails) is claimed to be Carol Kaye and she may be suing for unauthorised publication of said tootsies. Quote
warwickhunt Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='The Bass Doc' post='755347' date='Feb 23 2010, 07:26 PM']I have seen necks that clean before - it's the fingerboard pics that convince me it's genuine.[/quote] I agree that it's sooooo hard to 'relic' that look on a fingerboard (I've never ever seen a good copy) and the inlay dots just appear so right with that aged (almost sunken/shrunk) look to the rosewood and I have to confess I'd defer to you with regard to the condition of the neck. I know that the maple neck on my oldest Warwick (the one I got via you Howie) got sealed by DW and it looked as new and shiny when I sold it 15 years (and thousands of hours use) later... I still managed to ding the headstock now and again though! Quote
geoffbassist Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Mmm if you were selling something this expensive it would make sense to have a proper valuation. If u r sure it's real then it's got to be worth the effort. It sounds like the seller doesn't understand the Market and that would be enough to scare me off. I bet if it was proved to be fake after the sale the seller would claim he was unaware but 'doesn't do returns' Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 [quote name='geoffbassist' post='755385' date='Feb 23 2010, 07:55 PM']Mmm if you were selling something this expensive it would make sense to have a proper valuation. If u r sure it's real then it's got to be worth the effort. It sounds like the seller doesn't understand the Market and that would be enough to scare me off. I bet if it was proved to be fake after the sale the seller would claim he was unaware but 'doesn't do returns'[/quote] I think that's the point I tried to make in my earlier posts - the seller didn't realise exactly what the value was when it was first advertised (offers coming in at £600) and subsequently someone has put them right by giving a truer valuation. I'm willing to bet it ain't fake. Quote
jezzaboy Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Is it a fake? I`m more concerned with the lack of punctuation in the description. Doesn`t anyone use a blooming full stop or a paragraph these days? Has it gone out of fashion? I know it`s petty, but I can`t afford the bass anyway. Jez Quote
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