How was your gig last night?

[casapete]

My final gig of the week tonight with our acoustic duo at Beverley’s The Sun Inn. We last played there in 

July to a full pub and this time it was the same. Plenty of requests, so we played songs including ‘Autumn

Leaves’ through to ‘Good riddance’!  Last time we didn’t manage to do a request for a young lady wanting

some Backstreet Boys and told her we’d do it next time. She was in again tonight so we stuck to our 

promise and did ‘I want it that way’! She seemed happy enough but I think it was maybe down to the wine.

Loads of local musos in again tonight which is very flattering albeit a little unnerving, makes us raise our

game though. Used my Ibanez shortie electro acoustic into the PA via my Rumble 100 combo’s DI. 

No gigs now till next Sunday in Scarborough, again with the duo. 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by casapete

[Mickeyboro]

6 hours ago, casapete said:

My final gig of the week tonight with our acoustic duo at Beverley’s The Sun Inn. We last played there in 

July to a full pub and this time it was the same. Plenty of requests, so we played songs including ‘Autumn

Leaves’ through to ‘Good riddance’!  Last time we didn’t manage to do a request for a young lady wanting

some Backstreet Boys and told her we’d do it next time. She was in again tonight so we stuck to our 

promise and did ‘I want it that way’! She seemed happy enough but I think it was maybe down to the wine.

Loads of local musos in again tonight which is very flattering albeit a little unnerving, makes us raise our

game though. Used my Ibanez shortie electro acoustic into the PA via my Rumble 100 combo’s DI. 

No gigs now till next Sunday in Scarborough, again with the duo. 

Out of interest, are you ever asked for any ELO? 😈

[casapete]

34 minutes ago, Mickeyboro said:

Out of interest, are you ever asked for any ELO? 😈

Ha ha, occasionally Mick! My mate points out that I’m contractually obliged not to play any of their

tunes though ( a complete lie but gets us out of it). 😆

[dmccombe7]

11 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Lucky! A ceiling about that height makes an acoustic guitar bloom on every C chord. They will look right at the bass player to blame.

WOW that explains a lot. At one of the venues we play i get that exact issue and i've always assumed it was the raised hollow stage but i use a Gramma isolation pad.

Dave

[casapete]

11 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Lucky! A ceiling about that height makes an acoustic guitar bloom on every C chord. They will look right at the bass player to blame.

Happened to me last night, and the guitarist did give me the look too. 

[Greg Edwards69]

Back at Birchanger Sports & Social Club on Saturday for us. 

 

It's one of those venues where you never know what sort of audience you're going to get. Could be youngsters one week and a sea of grey the next. It's also one of these large buildings split into open plan sections, which luckily for us, one of which was hosting a 50th birthday party with around 80 guests, who were well up for a boogie. And there was plenty of buffet food left over at the end of the night... I was ravenous.

 

It's quite a nice setup for bands, loads of lights and a fairly decent stage - although even though it's wide it's not quite deep enough and there's a metre-wide step cut out in the front just where the drums usually go, so we have to flip our usual positions. Not a big deal, but can feel a little odd at first.

 

Once we got into our stride around 5 or 6 songs in, we had people dancing, including a couple of kids around 8 or 9 years old break dancing! We managed to keep the dancers up through the rest of the night. 

 

Oh and Shipyard on draught for only £3.60 a pint.

[Greg Edwards69]

51 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said:

WOW that explains a lot. At one of the venues we play i get that exact issue and i've always assumed it was the raised hollow stage but i use a Gramma isolation pad.

Dave

I used to get that a lot in certain venues. I called it "one loud note syndrome". I used to carry a Gramma pad for hollow stages too in an effort to alleviate the problem to an extent, but I also realised it was often the room causing the issue.

 

Funnily enough, since we've abandoned the backline and gone straight to FOH and IEMs the problem has disappeared.

 

There's one particular pub we play at that has the stage is what is effectively a huge bay window. This area is on a hollow floor with a low ceiling. But the rest of the pub has a much higher ceiling. I always used to struggle with getting a decent sound in this place - including "one loud note syndrome", and the backline would cause all sorts of problems, sending rumbles up the mic stands and getting feedback. The PA, however, sits just in front of the stage in the open. Since ditching the backline we no longer get any of these issues.

[oldslapper]

Psychodahlias played the Dublin Castle yesterday. Went well, although the stage isn’t really cut out for a 7 piece that like to move about 😂. How madness coped I don’t know. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by oldslapper

[Stub Mandrel]

1 hour ago, Greg Edwards69 said:

used to get that a lot in certain venues. I called it "one loud note syndrome

 

Itxs when two hard surfaces are exactly a wavelength apart. There's one pub we play where it's impossible to tame A.

[Crusoe]

14 hours ago, neepheid said:

 (Scottish Quo - guess which band's music they do?)

Do they cover Canandian melodic death metal band, Quo Vadis? Quo Vadis 😄

[msb]

14 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Double bass and 60s Burns bass action yesterday in Bristol. Good fun, but played 3 x 50 minute sets and my hands are hurting!

 

interesting combination of magnetic and piezo pickups , how do you blend them?

[dmccombe7]

7 hours ago, casapete said:

Happened to me last night, and the guitarist did give me the look too. 

when it happened to me the guitarist said to me at the end of the show "those bass cabs don't half pack some punch for such small lightweight cabs"

I didn't have the heart to tell him it was him that was causing the low down punch every now and again. 

Sometimes its just not worth trying to explain about frequencies to other band members. They usually don't get it. They hear a low boom and assume its the bass. Its usually not in my experience. 

Dave

[martthebass]

Forgot to mention…..driving back down the M1 from last Saturdays gig I was increasingly aware that my night vision was rubbish. I thought to myself, well the hearing is on the way out so why would I be surprised about the eyesight. It was only when I took a close look in the rear view mirror that I noticed I’d still got my ‘gigging sunglasses’ on. My normal specs were in the gig gear in the boot so had to suffer the affliction for the remainder of the motorway bit.

Definitely losing it….

[dmccombe7]

6 hours ago, Greg Edwards69 said:

I used to get that a lot in certain venues. I called it "one loud note syndrome". I used to carry a Gramma pad for hollow stages too in an effort to alleviate the problem to an extent, but I also realised it was often the room causing the issue.

 

Funnily enough, since we've abandoned the backline and gone straight to FOH and IEMs the problem has disappeared.

 

There's one particular pub we play at that has the stage is what is effectively a huge bay window. This area is on a hollow floor with a low ceiling. But the rest of the pub has a much higher ceiling. I always used to struggle with getting a decent sound in this place - including "one loud note syndrome", and the backline would cause all sorts of problems, sending rumbles up the mic stands and getting feedback. The PA, however, sits just in front of the stage in the open. Since ditching the backline we no longer get any of these issues.

I suggested IEM few weeks ago ............ again and the reaction was great until i mentioned i won't need any backline as i'll just go thru the PA. The drummer owns and operates the PA and he went into a panic saying the cabs won't cope and i replied that many bass players now use a powered PA cab and pre-amp as they are full range speakers. His cabs are QSC 3 way 15" and more than capable of coping with anything we would put thru them. Response to that was that he would then need to control everyone going thru PA and i said Yes that's true but its a digital desk. Once its set and stored the levels are more or less there every time. You just store for each venue.

He wasn't impressed so its not gonna happen anytime soon.

Dave  

[Obrienp]

21 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Double bass and 60s Burns bass action yesterday in Bristol. Good fun, but played 3 x 50 minute sets and my hands are hurting!

Is it a trick of the light, or is your double-bass metal bodied? It looks like a German silver National on my screen! Surely it can’t be? It would weigh a ton!

[Downunderwonder]

10 hours ago, casapete said:

Happened to me last night, and the guitarist did give me the look too. 

Pull down 130hz in the PA to tame a boomy C.

[Jackroadkill]

3 hours ago, martthebass said:

Forgot to mention…..driving back down the M1 from last Saturdays gig I was increasingly aware that my night vision was rubbish. I thought to myself, well the hearing is on the way out so why would I be surprised about the eyesight. It was only when I took a close look in the rear view mirror that I noticed I’d still got my ‘gigging sunglasses’ on. My normal specs were in the gig gear in the boot so had to suffer the affliction for the remainder of the motorway bit.

Definitely losing it….

 

I did a related boo-boo once, when I'd just gone to uni.  I was deep in my Goth phase (well, I still am, a bit...) and was walking through the town centre one night when I walked slap bang into someone I hadn't seen because I was wearing my sunglasses.  Hastily I apologised, but got no response.  I apologised again and removed my sunglasses, only to find out that I was apologising to a lamp-post.

[Downunderwonder]

1 hour ago, Obrienp said:

Is it a trick of the light, or is your double-bass metal bodied? It looks like a German silver National on my screen! Surely it can’t be? It would weigh a ton!

It's aluminum, which is heavy enough in that quantity.

[Downunderwonder]

8 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Itxs when two hard surfaces are exactly a wavelength apart. There's one pub we play where it's impossible to tame A.

'A' boom is tricky because it's right in the breadbox at 110hz but worth a crack. You probably have walls 6m apart, 2 wavelengths.

[dmccombe7]

14 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

'A' boom is tricky because it's right in the breadbox at 110hz but worth a crack. You probably have walls 6m apart, 2 wavelengths.

I saw a youtube vid of a guy who specialises in sound and he suggested changing the angle of the bass amp on stage or place it in a corner. It was all to do with the soundwaves and frequencies etc.

I'm guessing that would be the same for any cabinet.

Was quite an interesting watch but it was long and drawn out.

Afraid i don't know enough about the subject to confirm its validity.

Dave

Edited November 20, 2023 by dmccombe7

[Bluewine]

THIS WEDNESDAY Thanksgiving Eve

Maple Road
Rockfield Music & Media
Rockfield  WI

We start at 7:00

BYOB
Don’t forget to bring your favorite beverage!

 

 

Daryl

Edited November 21, 2023 by Bluewine

[Downunderwonder]

1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said:

I saw a youtube vid of a guy who specialises in sound and he suggested changing the angle of the bass amp on stage or place it in a corner. It was all to do with the soundwaves and frequencies etc.

I'm guessing that would be the same for any cabinet.

Was quite an interesting watch but it was long and drawn out.

Afraid i don't know enough about the subject to confirm its validity.

Dave

Low frequencies are omnidirectional. When they hit walls they come back without losing much energy, so much so that we credit it with full energy.

 

That return wave can be in phase well enough to reinforce the original wave when the source is close, or a half wavelength distant from the wall.

 

But at 1/4 wavelength distance the return wave is fully out of phase and you get a cancellation. The original wave headed out from the speaker towards the wall and away from the wall. Having travelled 1/4 wavelength both ways, before rejoining the original, the reflection is half a wavelength delayed ie a cancellation.

 

A bass cabinet in a corner gets all the bass energy focused into 1/2 the space of same cab set along a wall.

 

Go outside and lose half your bass power to the catering area out the back. That's pretty dire!

 

If you look up Allison Effect it will tell you more than you want to know.

 

 

[WalMan]

Odd one yesterday. Not sure what it was exactly possibly three of us tired from the previous nights travels to see Barock Project & Tiger Moth Tails @ Trading Boundaries (both great but I digress). 

 

Early evening gig (16:30-19:00) at a venue that has had some difficulties in recent months with management changes & the regulars falling out with one of the interim managers, but hopefully that is starting to  be behind them now. For our part  a lot of silly mistakes, cues missed wrong songs started, but it ended up a good early evening gig despite it all.

 

Sound wise (and I suppose don't trust sound quality of punters phone videos!) I was told "don't get any louder after the break as it's right on the verge". Sound from a punter video in front of me was OK. The bass sounded nice but was getting marginal for level against guitars & vox - my excuse being I have IEM's so have to trust the sound guy & others to let me know. Then again from a different punter the other side of the bar everything sounded a bit indistinct, and I am trusting that that was down to a phone's mic shutting everything down.

 

Band Christmas dinner this week then one more before the vocalist disappears to sunnier climes over the holidays.

[dmccombe7]

9 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Low frequencies are omnidirectional. When they hit walls they come back without losing much energy, so much so that we credit it with full energy.

 

That return wave can be in phase well enough to reinforce the original wave when the source is close, or a half wavelength distant from the wall.

 

But at 1/4 wavelength distance the return wave is fully out of phase and you get a cancellation. The original wave headed out from the speaker towards the wall and away from the wall. Having travelled 1/4 wavelength both ways, before rejoining the original, the reflection is half a wavelength delayed ie a cancellation.

 

A bass cabinet in a corner gets all the bass energy focused into 1/2 the space of same cab set along a wall.

 

Go outside and lose half your bass power to the catering area out the back. That's pretty dire!

 

If you look up Allison Effect it will tell you more than you want to know.

 

 

I didn't even follow your explanation so i've no chance with the Allison Effect. 

Dave

[Al Krow]

15 hours ago, dmccombe7 said:

I suggested IEM few weeks ago ............ again and the reaction was great until i mentioned i won't need any backline as i'll just go thru the PA. The drummer owns and operates the PA and he went into a panic saying the cabs won't cope and i replied that many bass players now use a powered PA cab and pre-amp as they are full range speakers. His cabs are QSC 3 way 15" and more than capable of coping with anything we would put thru them. Response to that was that he would then need to control everyone going thru PA and i said Yes that's true but its a digital desk. Once its set and stored the levels are more or less there every time. You just store for each venue.

He wasn't impressed so its not gonna happen anytime soon.

Dave  

 

Aww that's a shame - we have the same issue with one of the rehearsal venues we use: the owner is both flabbergasted at how light & good a Barefaced cab compared to the "fridges" he has on site and simultaneously not being prepared to allow anyone to put bass through the PA - only just about tolerates keys! Hope you manage to bring your drummer round eventually - as you say lots of us are going through the PA these days often without backline support.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Al Krow