More than 4?

[frank]

Try Thompson, down round Killkenny i think
fairly sure they can make you a six if your looking

lets stop the arguments
were all roughly coming from the same place

watch this [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEn8Hd0tCQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfEn8Hd0tCQ[/url]

Chillaxe people

[ARGH]

So what is 'proper' music?

[bass_ferret]

[quote name='ARGH' post='95964' date='Nov 29 2007, 08:49 AM']So what is 'proper' music?[/quote]
Music that is accessible to people who are not musicians.

[7string]

...and welcome to the debate that has been going on for over 2000 years (literally !!).

There are quotations as far back as the Greeks where people said "the old music was better than this new stuff".

All of us just need to respect anothers point of view, whether that involves instruments or their likes/dislikes about performers themselves. I don't like jazz, I don't like Jaco's music and I'm not a massive fan of 'ambient' music. However, I do expect my point of view to be, if not understood then at least allowed to exist without others arguing the point again and again.

There's the old adage "first impressions count" and that's particularly relevant to the ERB. The first time I saw an ERB, it was someone playing a video game theme. This immediately prompted the question "why" and unfortunately, due to YouTube and the like there's quite a few videos of players demonstrating what's been termed here as "circus bass". In my opinion this does more harm than good as it seems that that is all that ERB-ers are doing. We all get tarred with the same brush, so to speak.

At the moment, I am seriously considering selling 2 basses and an upright to get a 9 or 10 string ERB as I'm using my 7 strings more and the 4 strings are just waiting to get into the game. The why's and wherefore are not to be discussed here, but whatever I choose to do I would like my point of view respected and not debated ad infinitum which is what has happened to this thread.

[ARGH]

Im actually in a similer position 7string, Ive a set of dormant basses now,each has a use,and has been used,and paid its way. Is it you thats requested the ACG 9 string?

[gypsymoth]

"what is proper music"

"music that is accessible to people who are not musicians"

as opposed to music that is playable by people who are not musicians?

[Wil]

[quote name='gypsymoth' post='96185' date='Nov 29 2007, 03:45 PM']"what is proper music"

"music that is accessible to people who are not musicians"

as opposed to music that is playable by people who are not musicians?[/quote]

How hard a piece of music is to execute has no bearing on its merit as music... Music is about the content, the performance of which can enhance or detract from the audiences enjoyment of a piece, granted.

[Dood]

Off on a tangent.. and going back to the original 'More than 4' question.

In Indonisia, some music is played with a 31 tone - equal temperament scale. I wonder how many strings a bass guitar would have had if that scale was the accepted temperament over the more accustomed 12 tone scale?

[queenofthedepths]

You could just play on a fretless?

[Dood]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='96209' date='Nov 29 2007, 04:38 PM']You could just play on a fretless?[/quote]


WOH! Could you imagine a 31 note scale temperament on a 34" scale! lol!! - Or how about on a violin lol!

[bass_ferret]

[quote name='gypsymoth' post='96185' date='Nov 29 2007, 03:45 PM']"what is proper music"

"music that is accessible to people who are not musicians"

as opposed to music that is playable by people who are not musicians?[/quote]
So throwing musical snobbery into the mix as well

[6stringbassist]

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='95970' date='Nov 29 2007, 09:01 AM']Music that is accessible to people who are not musicians.[/quote]

Jeff Ament plays/played ERBs with Pearl Jam

Yves Carbonne plays ERBs as we know, checkout the songs from his album here [url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=62225202"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=62225202[/url]

Classing a 6 string as an ERB we have John Patitucci playing on numerous CDs, he also has albums for sale on Amazon (you judge an artists success from whether they have albums for sale on there don't you, if I remember correctly)

This album is full of "real music", even my Dad likes some of it [url="http://cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=yves+carbonne&submit=search"]http://cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=yves+car...p;submit=search[/url]

Trip Wamsley - [url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34065701"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendID=34065701[/url]

Jauqo - [url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=72149805"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendID=72149805[/url]

Michael manring - 4 string usually yes, but definately 'extended range' [url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=16409297"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendID=16409297[/url]

I could go on, but I'm probably just wasting my time, your mind is totally closed and you have on opinion that you are not going to give up, as do lots of people on this forum.

If there was a seperate section for players of extended range instruments, as there is for upright and EUB players, you'd have none of this nonsense from self opinionated fosils, ERB players could post threads about their choice of instrument without attracting unwanted nonsense.

[bass_ferret]

You just cant get it can you. Joe public is not gonna go looking on myspace for this sh*t - they are gonna buy their sh*t from Amazon and that is the only reason for my Amazon test. Thats what is meant by music that is accessible to people that are not musicians. And FWIW I dont consider a 6 to be an ERB.

[6stringbassist]

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='96264' date='Nov 29 2007, 05:51 PM']You just cant get it can you. Joe public is not gonna go looking on myspace for this sh*t - they are gonna buy their sh*t from Amazon and that is the only reason for my Amazon test. Thats what is meant by music that is accessible to people that are not musicians. And FWIW I dont consider a 6 to be an ERB.[/quote]

Everyone I mentioned has albums available on Amazon, do a check and you'll see for yourself.

Do you call yourself a musician ?.

I certainly wouldn't call music created by any of the players I mentioned s**t, YOU may not like it, I probably wouldn't like what you play, but I class myself as a musician, and therefore have the utmost respect for what other musicians create, regardless of their choice of instrument.

6 is to me, and probably 99% of the bass playing world an ERB, it's an extended range bass.

[gypsymoth]

there is a whole lot of intricate and/or complicated music, from classical to jazz to traditional Asian music that does not rely on a throbbing 1-2-3-4 (or whatever you may think the proper element is) to reach the non-musician audience.

hardly snobbery, but perhaps inferring that the non-musician public (or reasonable segments of it) is incapable of appreciating anything beyond whatever arbitrary musical limits you have set, is snobbery.

if anything, Joe Q Public could give a ratsass how many strings you've got or what instruments you use, as long as the result is pleasing to their ears.

[ARGH]

Well thats 2 more strings you 'accept' as being allowed upon a Bass guitar than last year John. Didnt you and OG have a bit of a to do over him getting a 5 back on Bassworld?

As a member of 'Joe public' myself as we all seem to be,as 'Joe Public' is everyone regardless of having instrument or not,they/we/I have a habit 'OF' using myspace and google etc to find what we like and want to hear.

I have friends whose taste I dont share in music,I have friends that are waaaaaay more avant garde in their tastes than I am,one in perticular dosent play an instrument and barracks everyone for being so conservative (he plunders my Metal section once or twice a year,for blastbeats and drones),he REALLY really pushes me to further myself on my instrument.

Edited November 29, 2007 by ARGH

[ARGH]

[quote name='gypsymoth' post='96274' date='Nov 29 2007, 06:23 PM']if anything, Joe Q Public could give a ratsass how many strings you've got or what instruments you use, as long as the result is pleasing to their ears.[/quote]

To be honest,from what Ive seen and heard,they dont.

Edited November 29, 2007 by ARGH

[ARGH]

[quote name='dood' post='96211' date='Nov 29 2007, 04:40 PM']WOH! Could you imagine a 31 note scale temperament on a 34" scale! lol!! - Or how about on a violin lol![/quote]

I believe somebody from Denmark made a Bass that could do that,Ive seen a few weird Bassnecks with strange numbers of frets per octave over the years.

[bass_ferret]

[quote name='gypsymoth' post='96274' date='Nov 29 2007, 06:23 PM']if anything, Joe Q Public could give a ratsass how many strings you've got or what instruments you use, as long as the result is pleasing to their ears.[/quote]
Thats what I keep saying but you blokes are not listening. Thats not what keeps getting posted on here by you ERB nutters - its not "listen to this great music" it is "look at all those strings"!

[ARGH]

Well Thanks

If thats what you think John you are typing out of your arse.

Edited November 29, 2007 by ARGH

[Alun]

Must have missed that post, who was it?

And I'm not sure "nutters" is the collective term.

[bass_ferret]

[quote name='Alun' post='96311' date='Nov 29 2007, 07:57 PM']Must have missed that post, who was it?

And I'm not sure "nutters" is the collective term.[/quote]
Nutters is probably not the collective but it does seem to fit sometimes. But stuff does get posted just cos of all the strings.

[Alun]

"Extra wide nutters" maybe?

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='96341' date='Nov 29 2007, 09:05 PM']But stuff does get posted just cos of all the strings.[/quote]

Well, quite a few people on this thread have said they'd like to hear an example of good music played on ERBs... it's a given that what's played is going to be good
Anyway, if not for ERBs, then everything posted on basschat would be coz of 4-strings!

[El_JimBob]

Good grief - the egos have landed - on both sides.
This is Basschat and we're all Bassplayers (to a degree )
Nobody wants to be a bassist. We're the guys stuck at the back. The guys nobody is looking at. The guys nobody is listening to. The guys whose best chance of a f**k is waiting 'til the singer and guitarists have had their turn.
We're the internet geek PC builders of the music world. But instead of clocking 50-plus hours a week on World of Warcraft, we're clocking the same amount of time on forums, arguing over the best type of preamp valve, the best match of active EQ/pickups and how distorted a distortion should really be. We're waving our Fenders, Shukers, Goodfellows and Seis around like "hey i've got a fat wallet and a giant knob - who wants to be me??", just like the tits who post 3dmark scores and processor speeds (and don't deny that you don't know exactly what i'm talking about )
And now we're here arguing over strings while the rest of the world carries on not giving a sh*t 'cos we're the guys that nobody could care less about.
We're all prize cocks 'nudge nudge-ing' and 'wink wink-ing' to each other.
I'm off to take my frustration out on a solid-top baritone ukulele with spalted maple back-and-sides. You don't see anyone shouting at her for having too many or too few strings!!
Screw you all....