4-string-thing Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 [quote name='Doddy' post='790013' date='Mar 29 2010, 09:55 PM']My Bergantino HS410 is 4 ohm.[/quote] Yeah, one of those would do nicely, apart from the weight and the cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 [quote name='4-string-thing' post='790027' date='Mar 29 2010, 10:07 PM']Yeah, one of those would do nicely, apart from the weight and the cost![/quote] Worth it though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 [quote name='Sarah5string' post='789924' date='Mar 29 2010, 08:55 PM']See above for budget, I play in a hard rock bank similar to deftones early smashing pumpkinsish stuff, but in general I love Tim from Audioslave's tone as well as Chris from Muse. I've played with the Ashdown MAGs before at rehearsals in the past and loved them so think I'm pretty set on one of those unless someone can come up with a better alternative [/quote] You might have a bit of a problem here, budget and transport wise. Tim from Audioslave uses 3 x SVT 2 pro/ ampeg 8x10 and Mesa amps, chris from Muse uses a variation of Marshall stacks i.e. loads of all valve tone. None of the amps mentioned come anywhere near those sort of specs. Of the Ashdown, Behringer, Laney and Trace gear models mentioned all are budget amps. Some of them may be loud enough but the tone is flat and horrible. You are either gonna have to accept the lack of tone or start saving your pennies. The only time i got anywhere near Chris Wolstenholmes tone was using my Mesa 400+/ Mesa powerhouse 4x10 and a Tech 21 Bass xxl distortion pedal. This little set up will set you back about £2500. good luck on your search thebassman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrenleepoole Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) Don't forget that some cabs are not that efficient either. So even if you have a setup which gets you full power from an amp head, albeit with a single 4 ohm or two 8 ohm cabs, the volume they give out will vary considerably. The general conceived wisdom to bare in mind is this, more speakers will move more air, and will give a 'perceived' increase in volume and will help carry tone and sound better. This is not always the the case, but it's a good thing to keep in mind when looking for particular setups. Also, having two 8 ohm cabs and head setup will probably give you more headroom for much clearer and stronger tone, not necessarily more volume - this will also help in getting you heard just as well without being 'more' loud. If that makes sense....? Edited March 30, 2010 by derrenleepoole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinbass7750 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 [quote name='4-string-thing' post='790008' date='Mar 29 2010, 09:54 PM']Does anybody make 4 ohm cabs nowdays? I only ever seem to see 8 ohm cabs for sale.[/quote] EBS make 4 ohm cabs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottle Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 [quote name='martinbass7750' post='790363' date='Mar 30 2010, 10:41 AM']EBS make 4 ohm cabs![/quote] They do indeedy - I've got two of them (see my sig). Unfortunately, my GK head doesn't go down to 2 Ohms (well, it will, but you'll be letting out the 'magic smoke' fairly rapidly!) I'm using my PA amp as a slave amp driven from the Effects Send on the GK so it can give me 500w + 400w. Also this combination gives me the flexibility to drive my 4x10 from my SansAmp giving me some grit, and the clean signal goes to the 1x15 (or I can swap everything round as well) Only downside is that the cabs are not light....... IIRC ~88lbs / 41Kg for the 4x10 and ~65lbs / 30Kg for the 1x15 @ Sarah - have you considered the lightweight cabs route i.e Barefaced + Class D head (GK, Genz, Markbass, TC etc)? I know it's probably outside your budget, though! I'm just thinking a Vintage (4Ohm) and a 500w head might do to start with? HTH, Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 FWIW, I'm currently using a MAG300 Combo with a lightweight-ish Hartke 410 TP as an extension. Cost me £290 for the lot and it sounds OK, in a classic-rock sort of way... Were I to trade up, I'd be swapping the combo for a louder Ashdown head and sliding yet another 410 TP underneath. I reckon something like that might be just about achievable on your budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I've nothing really positive to add, I just wanted to say it's been a lovely 5 pages of reading. I too struggle somewhat with the ohms stuff, which is not a good sign as I have a maths based degree . It's also been of help, as I too will be looking to buy a similar sized set up at some point - well probably when the kids have left home and I have some free time. So that'll probably be in about 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Thanks everyone Looks like I've got the amp sorted Will update once I have it Now to start looking for a cab... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsmokebass Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) in all fairness i have a BA115 by behringer, not a problem other than a heavy cab.... but arent they all? yeah ok, they don't look or sound like ampeg, GK, fender, markbass and neither something i'd really boast about but its lasted me well (4-5years), recorded and gigged well. so what more could you ask for? i think at the time it JUST cost me over £100 so not all too bad but i wouldnt put anything down untill you've tried it, and this goes to everyone. edit: get whats in your budget zone too, you can always upgrade in a few months/years time, no rush =] Edited March 31, 2010 by bigsmokebass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Sarah5string' post='791261' date='Mar 30 2010, 10:34 PM']Thanks everyone Looks like I've got the amp sorted Will update once I have it Now to start looking for a cab... [/quote] [attachment=46073:images.jpeg] One cab madam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Sarah5string' post='790015' date='Mar 29 2010, 09:56 PM']I am planning too once I've got some kiddy/work free time.. my girls would destroy the shop [/quote] I'll get the kettle on...and start building a creche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Pete Academy' post='791491' date='Mar 31 2010, 07:23 AM']I'll get the kettle on...and start building a creche. [/quote] Now that's customer service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Marvin' post='791483' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:03 AM'][attachment=46073:images.jpeg] One cab madam. [/quote] Bit heavy for me I think.. would never be able to lug that up the stairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwoff Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Can I suggest Good cab combination! I actually know someone who had a 4x15 Marshall years ago, I'm certain everytime they mention it I see a twinge of back pain! Edited March 31, 2010 by throwoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) I had a 4x15 Marshall cab eons ago... 50watts per speaker, thankfully it was on casters. it was angled as well so someone must had thought to have it as the top half of a stack..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited March 31, 2010 by JTUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebassman Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='JTUK' post='791574' date='Mar 31 2010, 09:44 AM']I had a 4x15 Marshall cab eons ago... 50watts per speaker, thankfully it was on casters. it was angled as well so someone must had thought to have it as the top half of a stack..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] casters!!! I would want wheels and a tow hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I asked last year about the 4 ohm Vs 8 ohm difference & the answers I got from Bill & Alex (& other's also) didn't come as a surprise. There's very little audible difference & limits you to the amount of cabs you can use. 2 8 ohm cabs off the one amp are considerably louder than the 4 ohm version on it's own (running off of the same amp) & the amount of watts you're putting to your cab isn't the defining factor of how loud your rig is going to be, it's how much air you can move. I bet that Marshall rig can move some air, but I wouldn't fancy shifting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sarah5string' post='791261' date='Mar 30 2010, 10:34 PM']Thanks everyone Looks like I've got the amp sorted Will update once I have it Now to start looking for a cab... [/quote] Have you seen the Zoot Neo 1x15 in the Affiliates forum? £200 for a light, high quality cab: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=82660&st=0&#entry790410"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=...mp;#entry790410[/url] EDITed because my keyboad is playing up and missing out letters! Edited March 31, 2010 by lemmywinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Had a mooch round a local guitar shop today for further research and was told that I should be looking at bigger speakers rather than 4x10s etc and promptly got pointed in the direction of a 2x15 £1000 job by peavey it was nearly as tall as me Edited March 31, 2010 by Sarah5string Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinbass7750 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Sarah5string' post='792111' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:28 PM']Had a mooch round a local guitar shop today for further research and was told that I should be looking at bigger speakers rather than 4x10s etc and promptly got pointed in the direction of a 2x15 £1000 job by peavey it was nearly as tall as me [/quote] I suggest you try another shop! generally 4x10 make a great sound - plenty of low end but good punch too. Tend to be heavy to move around, I hurt my back lifting a peavey cab out of my car. loads of people like 15" cabs, but from what I've heard they tend to have less mid range punch than a 4x10. Peavey are good value, but not the best around. I've gone 2 seperate 12" cabs just for portability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='martinbass7750' post='792123' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:35 PM']I suggest you try another shop! generally 4x10 make a great sound - plenty of low end but good punch too. Tend to be heavy to move around, I hurt my back lifting a peavey cab out of my car. loads of people like 15" cabs, but from what I've heard they tend to have less mid range punch than a 4x10. Peavey are good value, but not the best around. I've gone 2 seperate 12" cabs just for portability[/quote] hmmm.. I didn't think about getting 2 cabs actually... might be worth looking into so save my poor back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='martinbass7750' post='792123' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:35 PM']I suggest you try another shop![/quote] +1 They're talking absolute rubbish. How many pro players use 10s or 12s in their rig? Avoid that shop like the plague. Chances are the "assistant" is just a guitarist who thinks bigger speaker=more bass (just like bass players do until they do a bit of research). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah5string Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='lemmywinks' post='792143' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:49 PM']+1 They're talking absolute rubbish. How many pro players use 10s or 12s in their rig? Avoid that shop like the plague. Chances are the "assistant" is just a guitarist who thinks bigger speaker=more bass (just like bass players do until they do a bit of research).[/quote] The guy was actually helpful but admitted he wasn't the right person to speak to about cabs, he's given me the name of the 'specialist' to speak to. His logic was 'the laws of physics say that bigger speakers are louder, so you want bigger speakers.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 These are the cabs you're looking for ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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