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Vintage Jazz through a B15n or MIA J Deluxe through POD?


TimmyC
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I found this on another forum and thought I'd post it here.

" On one track I played on John Entwistle's 1965 Jazz bass strung with flats through a 60's B-15n to a Neve board. There was also a bit of a Countryman DI mixed in through the Neve. The other track was played on an active 2000 American Jazz Deluxe with rounds into a Bass Pod, direct to ProTools. Can you pick which is which?"

1) [url="http://thedpband.com/music/05%2020%20Questions.mp3"]http://thedpband.com/music/05%2020%20Questions.mp3[/url]

2) [url="http://thedpband.com/music/06%20Alright.mp3"]http://thedpband.com/music/06%20Alright.mp3[/url]

I'd like to know,

A - Which sound you prefer,

B - Which do you think is the Vintage Jazz and which is the new Fender active one

[i][b]If you've seen the original thread then don't spoil it for those who havn't. [/b][/i]

Tim

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I would hazard a guess that the second mix is the POD and active bass. I prefer the zing on the top of the bass in the second track.

If thats the one with flats, I have to rethink my views on them, cos usually I cant stand the things!!

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I can hear a difference, and I'd agree with what dood said and say the 2nd is the active, seems a bit deeper in the bass.

It doesn't help however that they're two different songs and therefore will probably have different levels in the mix. A fair test would use the same song as the control.

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[quote name='bassbluestew' post='94213' date='Nov 25 2007, 06:06 PM']God my ears hear different.

I think the strings on the second deffo sounds like flats. The first is much punchier and to me sounds like rounds and a much more modern sound.

It is difficult when it's two different songs tho.

S[/quote]


Oh should have added they do sound VERY different, and I should add I'm listening on PC speakers.

S

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I'm finding this very hard! I keep switching between the two tracks, I prefer the bass sound on the first track. I think that track is the MIA Jazz into POD because those sound like round-wounds to me.

I'm getting lost in how good the drums sound... I hope I'm not wavering towards the dark side :wacko:

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Gee, that´s hard...

I´d say track 2 is the passive bass with flats, but then there´s that slide at the end where I *think* I can detect a trace of roundwound noise...
Track 1 has a more "sculpted-by-onboard-EQ" kind of sound to me.

OTOH, I´m sure I´m wrong. :)

From the player´s standpoint, I´d probably have chosen the Ox axe for the second track - the song has a slight 60s vibe to my ears.

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to my ears* the first one has a punchier, active tone. and the second one [i]deffinitly[/i] sounds like flats. but then i've recorded with a pod and know what they're capable of.... and this could be the trick of the test perhaps??

Tom


*very naive in terms of jazz knowledge, never owned or played one a great deal, never heard a vintage in person


[u][b]EDIT[/b][/u]

OK, i think i've changed my mind. listening to it again, i think the first is smooth enough to be flats, and with good pickup balance could give that punch. and with the second one theres a low end (low-mid?) clarity/attack that sounds boosted and compressed? and i don't think a vintage bass could do that. so yes, i've changed my mind.

1st one active round pod
2nd one passive flat vintage

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Its not easy listening on cheap cans into my PC - it would be interesting to play on my hifi or through studio monitors.

If I had to say I would go for the second being the Active/POD. The playing on both is quite bubby and I would have preferred to be able to hear a slow passage and the notes more developed but then it would probably be obvious.

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1) Is the '65 Jazz bass with flats - thru vintage Ampeg B-15n.
Track 2) is the modern Jazz Deluxe with rounds into a Line 6 Bass POD.

This was quite easy as... I have both a 1965 Jazz bass and a 1965 Ampeg B-15N (tone heaven - you haven't lived until you've played bass through one of these - the best there is).
People are often shocked by just how 'alive' old Jazz basses can sound - the warmth is there, but somehow folks expect them to lack the full range of tones of a modern bass. My 1960 jazz is even richer...
And this is why original 1960's Jazzes are so valuable & sought after!

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[u][b]Answer[/b][/u] - Please highlight the area under to find the answer

[color="#FFFFFF"]
Track 1 - '20 Questions' was played with the 1965 Jazz bass with flats through a 60's Ampeg B-15n.
Track 2 - 'Alright' was played on the MIA Jazz Deluxe with rounds into a Line 6 Bass POD direct to ProTools.[/color]

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[quote name='Machines' post='94726' date='Nov 26 2007, 07:54 PM']Ok I got here late - shame the answer is out so soon :). I actually would have got it right as well...[/quote]

Sorry people kept PMing me so I thought I'd put it up here to save replying the same thing to loads of people, it seemed like a good idea at the time. I've changed it so that you now have to highlight the text to read it if you don't want to know the answer.

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[quote name='TimmyC' post='94695' date='Nov 26 2007, 06:40 PM'][u][b]Answer[/b][/u] - Please highlight the area under to find the answer

[color="#FFFFFF"]
Track 1 - '20 Questions' was played with the 1965 Jazz bass with flats through a 60's Ampeg B-15n.
Track 2 - 'Alright' was played on the MIA Jazz Deluxe with rounds into a Line 6 Bass POD direct to ProTools.[/color][/quote]


I am so happy.. thank you ears, thank you ... lol

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