Tell me about LOOP station type pedals!

[tayste_2000]

You need a multi track looper like the rc-50, looperlative or ehx 2880.

You are always limited to the length of your first loop with most other loopers

[Dood]

Cheers Ste!

Ahhhthat's really crud!! - Hmmmm - I'll have to look at the alternatives I reckon - I could see punters geting a bit bored with waiting whilst I dropped in a 16 bar loop with nowt else on it!!

[tayste_2000]

The 3 I listed are not limited to the length of the first loop to clarify

[Dood]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='894779' date='Jul 14 2010, 03:26 PM']The 3 I listed are not limited to the length of the first loop to clarify [/quote]


Thanks matey! Yup, I understood that to be the case but appreciate it anyway! I've got some time for a surf this eve - so I'll see what delights I come up with!

[Dood]

Decision made!

Based on price and options I'll be grabbing a Digitech Jamman - no doubt second hand. The option of loading on WAV samples on to the pedal will be brilliant Vs the things that I'd like to do with a more expensive unit - and looking on ebay - I think these go cheaply - I hope!!!

[tayste_2000]

Yeah good choice for a starter loop pedal, it'll probably do everything you need for quite a while.

[Dood]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='895254' date='Jul 15 2010, 12:14 AM']Yeah good choice for a starter loop pedal, it'll probably do everything you need for quite a while.[/quote]


I looked at the Stereo version - and it appears it's not stereo at all lol - infact, it appears that until you start spending a lot more cash - pretty much every unit loops in mono - so the free software version I have been using has well n' truly trumped most hardware units!

but it's down to cost - and I didnt really fancy lugging something like the RC-50 around - until such times as I have finished 'playing' and then get serious lol!

[Dood]

but a second look at the 2880 user manual and functions has me salivating... oh dear!! Here we go again! lol!

[tayste_2000]

[quote name='dood' post='895467' date='Jul 15 2010, 11:34 AM']but a second look at the 2880 user manual and functions has me salivating... oh dear!! Here we go again! lol![/quote]

Yeah it's better than the RC-50 and there are some on TB fairly cheap, you can also save money by just getting the unit if you already have a midi footswitch

[Dood]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='895480' date='Jul 15 2010, 11:47 AM']Yeah it's better than the RC-50 and there are some on TB fairly cheap, you can also save money by just getting the unit if you already have a midi footswitch[/quote]


Ah! Really? That's interesting - if I can operate the 2880 from my Roland FC-200 - that'd be cool!

[Dood]

Looks like I've recently missed out on a 2880 and foot controller on TB.. ahh!! tooo slow! Must spend more time in the marketplace sections!

[tayste_2000]

Have you tried thegearpage and harmony central?

Both good forums for buying gear.

[Steve Lawson]

Sorry to take so long getting back to this - was on tour, now home, and jetlagged

But anyway, yes, with the looperlative you can do multiple loops of different lengths, either unsynced or as multiples of any one of the tracks (the track that acts as master for the sync can be changed at any point too) OR you can resample the incoming signal with any combination of the tracks onto another track (bounce), to cut the track length down, or change the time sig by dropping a beat or two.

OR you can use the quantised replace function to create rhythmic stuff that way... I've been using that on a couple of tunes - the version of Grace And Gratitude on the end of the brand new live album heads in that direction:

[url="http://music.stevelawson.net/album/live-so-far"]http://music.stevelawson.net/album/live-so-far[/url]

as does my cover of Hello:

[url="http://soundcloud.com/solobasssteve/hello"]http://soundcloud.com/solobasssteve/hello[/url] (audio)
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sf9yKrw9dQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sf9yKrw9dQ[/url] (video)

Also of looperlative interest would be the untitled duet with Todd Reynolds on the live album (which has some fairly major transitions going on, as well as a bit at the end where I record different notes to different tracks on the looperlative and then pitch shift them independently to change the chord (sounds like a keyboard player playing a string pad through some pretty weird changes )

On 'Born On The 3rd of July', I swap between a slide solo being played, and the fretless solo that is looped and controlled with a volume pedal...

and the newer arrangement of Love Is A Battlefield (newer than the video posted earlier) also has some fairly major Looperlative abuse at the end of it - either of the 2nd and 3rd vids on this page:

[url="http://solobasssteve.posterous.com/three-views-of-a-solo"]http://solobasssteve.posterous.com/three-views-of-a-solo[/url]

.....


As far as the digitech stuff goes - they've revamped the line a little. I really like the look of the new stereo looper with the delay stuff added in as well... If it does what it says it can do, it'll be fab

Steve

[Viajero]

Steve - that third-version solo is nuts. If you do any more with those pedals they'll book you for Strictly Come Dancing.

[Dood]

[quote name='Steve Lawson' post='898469' date='Jul 18 2010, 10:58 PM']Sorry to take so long getting back to this - was on tour, now home, and jetlagged

But anyway, yes, with the looperlative you can do multiple loops of different lengths, either unsynced or as multiples of any one of the tracks (the track that acts as master for the sync can be changed at any point too) OR you can resample the incoming signal with any combination of the tracks onto another track (bounce), to cut the track length down, or change the time sig by dropping a beat or two.

OR you can use the quantised replace function to create rhythmic stuff that way... I've been using that on a couple of tunes - the version of Grace And Gratitude on the end of the brand new live album heads in that direction:

[url="http://music.stevelawson.net/album/live-so-far"]http://music.stevelawson.net/album/live-so-far[/url]

as does my cover of Hello:

[url="http://soundcloud.com/solobasssteve/hello"]http://soundcloud.com/solobasssteve/hello[/url] (audio)
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sf9yKrw9dQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sf9yKrw9dQ[/url] (video)

Also of looperlative interest would be the untitled duet with Todd Reynolds on the live album (which has some fairly major transitions going on, as well as a bit at the end where I record different notes to different tracks on the looperlative and then pitch shift them independently to change the chord (sounds like a keyboard player playing a string pad through some pretty weird changes )

On 'Born On The 3rd of July', I swap between a slide solo being played, and the fretless solo that is looped and controlled with a volume pedal...

and the newer arrangement of Love Is A Battlefield (newer than the video posted earlier) also has some fairly major Looperlative abuse at the end of it - either of the 2nd and 3rd vids on this page:

[url="http://solobasssteve.posterous.com/three-views-of-a-solo"]http://solobasssteve.posterous.com/three-views-of-a-solo[/url]

.....


As far as the digitech stuff goes - they've revamped the line a little. I really like the look of the new stereo looper with the delay stuff added in as well... If it does what it says it can do, it'll be fab

Steve[/quote]

Hi Steve, thank you for sharing your videos. Appreciated muchly. It has certainly given me some food for thought! I like how you are able to manipulate the tracks in real time. It is opening up more possibilities - especially with a few ideas about some rather off beat covers I'm plannning!

The digitech is still high on my list - and coincidentally, I spotted a TalkBass post by Tayste in the archives about the Digitech BNX3 and have looked at the GNX4 that features an 8 track recorderthat can be used as a looper. This *could* provide some interesting layers - however doesnt have the ful flexibility of your looper rack.

Thanks again - I'm still investigating when I get the time!

[Dood]

I've managed to bag a cheap stereo JamMan off the bay. It was a bit of a bargain, so I thought I'd grab it whilst I can. I look forward to giving it some abuse!

[Sonic_Groove]

[quote name='dood' post='911131' date='Jul 31 2010, 12:25 PM']I've managed to bag a cheap stereo JamMan off the bay. It was a bit of a bargain, so I thought I'd grab it whilst I can. I look forward to giving it some abuse![/quote]

Hi Dood,

How are you getting on with this? -- I too am one the edge of "going loopy"

Does the jamman do half-speed & backwards like the M/13 - M/9? I think I would use those & have been considering the M/13 but like you I already have most of the line6 effects in other stuff programmed the way I like it.

Does anyone know what other loopers do half-speed & reverse?

Brendan

[tayste_2000]

[quote name='Sonic_Groove' post='917032' date='Aug 6 2010, 02:52 PM']Hi Dood,

How are you getting on with this? -- I too am one the edge of "going loopy"

Does the jamman do half-speed & backwards like the M/13 - M/9? I think I would use those & have been considering the M/13 but like you I already have most of the line6 effects in other stuff programmed the way I like it.

Does anyone know what other loopers do half-speed & reverse?

Brendan[/quote]

DL4 and SMMH to a degree

[0175westwood29]

anyone here got a dl4? how are they on bass just got the fm4 and that works well.

also what people views on the boss loop station?

andy

[tayste_2000]

[quote name='0175westwood29' post='917110' date='Aug 6 2010, 04:24 PM']anyone here got a dl4? how are they on bass just got the fm4 and that works well.

also what people views on the boss loop station?

andy[/quote]

DL4 is fine with bass but again the M9 is a much better purchase as it would replace the FM4 and DL4 and offer more flexability

Also the DL4 doesn't have undo which really, is a must unless you are the bass playing terminator known as Dood

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='917145' date='Aug 6 2010, 04:59 PM']DL4 is fine with bass but again the M9 is a much better purchase as it would replace the FM4 and DL4 and offer more flexability

Also the DL4 doesn't have undo which really, is a must unless you are the bass playing terminator known as Dood[/quote]

im just not feeling the m9 after watching some vids

loving the boss tho!

andy

[Finbar]

Just to echo that about the M9, it's fantastic. What is it you're not feeling about it? As essentially the sounds are identical to the ones in the FM4 and DL4 etc. Even if you only use the delays, it's better than the DL4 for versatility! (but more expensive if that's all you're using it for)

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='Finbar' post='917290' date='Aug 6 2010, 06:49 PM']Just to echo that about the M9, it's fantastic. What is it you're not feeling about it? As essentially the sounds are identical to the ones in the FM4 and DL4 etc. Even if you only use the delays, it's better than the DL4 for versatility! (but more expensive if that's all you're using it for)[/quote]

well here goes, from the vids ive seen you can only save one sound per an effect at a time, compared to 4 on my fm4 and 3 on the dl4, also i would only use it for the fm and dl functions, so i know that those two pedals together plus my distortions and tuner take up more room but i just feel that its better for me.

does that make sense?

andy

[tayste_2000]

[quote name='0175westwood29' post='917352' date='Aug 6 2010, 08:01 PM']well here goes, from the vids ive seen you can only save one sound per an effect at a time, compared to 4 on my fm4 and 3 on the dl4, also i would only use it for the fm and dl functions, so i know that those two pedals together plus my distortions and tuner take up more room but i just feel that its better for me.

does that make sense?

andy[/quote]

You are mistaken on the M9 you can have 6 sounds saved with a further 5 more scenes each with another 6 fx saved.

The m9 can do 3 fx at a time with the 6 to choose from and use the looper all at the same time.

The dl4 and fm4 can do 2 sounds at the same time (between the 2 pedals) with 7 sounds to choose from (4 on the fm4 and 3 on the dl4) and you can only use the looper with a basic echo.

I'm not trying to force the m9 down your throat but its so much better than the xx4 range and for about the same as 2 new xx4 pedals.

As for the boss it's very good but I've never got on with anything that was a dedicated looper, they tend to lack loop manipulation functions. The smmh is a great example of much you can mess with a loop, pitch and tempo shifting all with analog quirk and glitchyness.

Hope this helps

Oh and for those that don't know looperlative are doing a pedal that will be dl4 sized, it look pretty feature heavy.

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='917373' date='Aug 6 2010, 08:23 PM']You are mistaken on the M9 you can have 6 sounds saved with a further 5 more scenes each with another 6 fx saved.

The m9 can do 3 fx at a time with the 6 to choose from and use the looper all at the same time.

The dl4 and fm4 can do 2 sounds at the same time (between the 2 pedals) with 7 sounds to choose from (4 on the fm4 and 3 on the dl4) and you can only use the looper with a basic echo.

I'm not trying to force the m9 down your throat but its so much better than the xx4 range and for about the same as 2 new xx4 pedals.

As for the boss it's very good but I've never got on with anything that was a dedicated looper, they tend to lack loop manipulation functions. The smmh is a great example of much you can mess with a loop, pitch and tempo shifting all with analog quirk and glitchyness.

Hope this helps

Oh and for those that don't know looperlative are doing a pedal that will be dl4 sized, it look pretty feature heavy.[/quote]

no man its always nice to have ppls advice on these things! ill try and find one and try it out! i never got on with the boss multi effect unit i had a while back cos of the layout and the m9 looks a bit similar in its slanted design but we will see.

andy