Floorstanding 4x10 or table standing 2x10

[Rumble]

Simple question - I currently have a Bergantino 2x10 which I need to stand on a table in order to hear myself. Should I stick with this (hoping each time that I can find a table to stand it on) or opt for a lightweight 4x10 that can just stand on the floor?

In terms of 4x10 brands I'm thinking EBS, Epifani etc...

[Mr. Foxen]

You standing it on end? Should have same effect as a 4x10.

[Rumble]

Yep, it's on end on a chair or a table.

[Mr. Foxen]

4x10 on the floor probably won't offer any more then. Aside from being louder overall, but still missing your ears.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

Tilt it back. Lifting it on a table creates a loss of boundary reinforcement in the midbass. In a boomy room you may find that beneficial, but otherwise tilting it back to put the driver centers aiming at your ears is better.

[LawrenceH]

Try something like this:
[url="http://www.totalmusicsupply.com/Models.aspx?PartnerID=2&ModelID=96360"]http://www.totalmusicsupply.com/Models.asp...p;ModelID=96360[/url]

I have an identical but differently-branded one, it's light and folds up making it nice and portable, and the tilt is adjustable. I find it really helps with audibility.

[Rumble]

Thanks for the ideas.

LawrenceH, if you tilt it back how do you secure your amp onto the cab?

[fatback]

[quote name='Rumble' post='872182' date='Jun 19 2010, 09:27 PM']Thanks for the ideas.

LawrenceH, if you tilt it back how do you secure your amp onto the cab?[/quote]

Bumping in hope of an answer to this interesting one...

[hubrad]

I think if tilting a bass cab I would be leaving the head on the floor or a table.

OP - Can you really not get enough from a 2x10 on the floor? I've never had a prob there; head is 250W Trace Elliot powering a custom build cab loaded with Eminence (400W handling).

[umph]

get another 210 and stack them vertically

[chris_b]

[quote name='umph' post='873713' date='Jun 21 2010, 06:23 PM']....get another 210 and stack them vertically....[/quote]
Beat me to it!! Get another Bergantino 2x10, it's the only sensible solution!

[ShergoldSnickers]

[quote name='fatback' post='873553' date='Jun 21 2010, 03:22 PM']Bumping in hope of an answer to this interesting one... [/quote]
Velcro. Yes, honestly. I've seen this done and it works.

[chris_b]

[quote name='Rumble' post='872182' date='Jun 19 2010, 09:27 PM']....if you tilt it back how do you secure your amp onto the cab?....[/quote]
Don't put the amp on the cab!

[Noisyjon]

[quote name='umph' post='873713' date='Jun 21 2010, 06:23 PM']get another 210 and stack them vertically[/quote]


+1 from me too.
e.g.:
[attachment=52773:TC_Stack_2.JPG]

Edited June 21, 2010 by jonthebass

[bootros]

Or get a flightcase/box for the 2x10 and stand it on top of that for gigs.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

[quote name='fatback' post='873553' date='Jun 21 2010, 10:22 AM']Bumping in hope of an answer to this interesting one... [/quote]
Get a couple of inch high rubber cabinet feet, screw them to the rear of the cab top to act as stops to keep the amp from sliding off.

[LawrenceH]

[quote name='ShergoldSnickers' post='873755' date='Jun 21 2010, 07:01 PM']Velcro. Yes, honestly. I've seen this done and it works.[/quote]

This

[Rumble]

[quote name='chris_b' post='873718' date='Jun 21 2010, 06:29 PM']Beat me to it!! Get another Bergantino 2x10, it's the only sensible solution![/quote]

There's a little bit of me that might see this as overkill! Another Berg cab will cost me in the region of £500 and amp stand would be £25; Hmmmm!

[chris_b]

[quote name='Rumble' post='874260' date='Jun 22 2010, 11:05 AM']....There's a little bit of me that might see this as overkill....[/quote]
....but only for 3 secs! You know size matters!

[JTUK]

if you don't like or can't hear it on the floor get beer crates or a table.

If you are going to trade for a 4x10..then you might as well consider another 210

[Rumble]

But trading my 2x10 for a 4x10 is a virtually no cost option. Buying a second 2x10 has a definte cost associated with it and if I want comparible quality, sensitivity to my Berg 2x10 then it's quite a considerable cost.

Is there any great advantage to having it on a stand 2ft off the ground tilted towards my ears, over just tilting it back against a wall whilst sat on the floor pointing towards my ears?

[Wil]

If hearing yourself is your biggest concern, then may I suggest a Schroeder?

[Rumble]

Why? 'Volume' or frequencies? If it's the former, the Berg has plenty of 'volume'.

[Wil]

More that the angled drivers in many of their cabs can point directly at your ears if you put the cab in the right spot. That in addition to the thumpy mids they put out makes them very easy to hear in a mix. Works for me anyway!

[fatback]

I asked Alex (barefaced) about those Yamaha stands, and he pointed out that you would reduce the reflections from the floor, losing maybe as much as 3db of certain low frequencies normally boosted by the floor.

I shouldn't have hassled him with the question, as I later found the info is very clear here:

[url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/stage-or-floor-coupling.htm"]http://barefacedbass.com/technical-informa...or-coupling.htm[/url]

Alex suggests tilting the cab upwards using auralex blocks as wedges.

Edited June 22, 2010 by fatback